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Gloucestershire / Re: Sandys family, Miserden
« on: Thursday 24 February 22 18:14 GMT (UK) »
Hi yes, happy to do that. If you send me your email I'll take some photos and attach them.
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Gloucestershire / Re: Sandys family, Miserden
« on: Thursday 24 February 22 17:32 GMT (UK) »
Hi wee Hugh - again I can see this is quite an old thread and I don't know if you are still looking at it but.....
I am temporarily living in West Alvington, just outside Kingsbridge in the South Hams area of Devon and I often have a prowl around the West Alvington church graveyard to look at the gravestones - they have some fascinating and very old ones. There is a tomb which caught my eye - Barbara Bayntun Sandys Reed, the wife of the Rev. Edward Reed and the third daughter of Sir Edwin Bayntun Sandys Reed, Bart of Miserden Park, Gloucestershire. Also in the tomb are two of Barbara and the Rev. Edward's very young daughters - Margaret C. Sandys Reed died 1837 aged 9 months and her sister Aubrey Rosalie Sandys Reed who died in 1845 aged only 6 months. These inscriptions really remind us how high the child mortality rate was!
Anyway, I hope you find this of interest. The tomb inscription is in fairly good condition but one side of the tomb structure has caved in.
All the best.
Descendant of Murby
I am temporarily living in West Alvington, just outside Kingsbridge in the South Hams area of Devon and I often have a prowl around the West Alvington church graveyard to look at the gravestones - they have some fascinating and very old ones. There is a tomb which caught my eye - Barbara Bayntun Sandys Reed, the wife of the Rev. Edward Reed and the third daughter of Sir Edwin Bayntun Sandys Reed, Bart of Miserden Park, Gloucestershire. Also in the tomb are two of Barbara and the Rev. Edward's very young daughters - Margaret C. Sandys Reed died 1837 aged 9 months and her sister Aubrey Rosalie Sandys Reed who died in 1845 aged only 6 months. These inscriptions really remind us how high the child mortality rate was!
Anyway, I hope you find this of interest. The tomb inscription is in fairly good condition but one side of the tomb structure has caved in.
All the best.
Descendant of Murby
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London & Middlesex Lookup Requests / J Macarthy in 1851 census, born 1823 living in St James Westminster, Middlesex
« on: Tuesday 21 January 14 12:20 GMT (UK) »
Dear Rootschatters
There is a J Macarthy aged 28, born Ireland, status 'employee' female servant, living in St James' Westminster coming up on both the Family Search 1851 census records and GenesReunited for 1851. I am a subscriber to ancestry.co.uk and I cannot find the same matching record for this person. Please could somebody kindly have a look at the record for me?
Context: I am wondering (hoping) this is Johanna McCarthy, born 1823 Ireland, who moved to England with her son William McCarthy born c.1846 Ireland. I haven't been able to find her - Johanna - in 1851/1861/ 1871 although she pops up in 1881 aged 58 living with her son William's family in Little Windmill St, St James' Westminster. So, I am really hoping this 'J Macarthy, servant' could be her in 1851. Although not sure where her son William is - he'd only be about 5 years old and I can't find him on the census until 1871 aged 25 (although I have details of his marriage to Ann Barker in 1867). Johanna's 'husband' and father of William is a 'Charles McCarthy, Tailor' (so it says on William's marriage certificate), but he is proving equally elusive. Anyway, first things first. Is this 1851 J Macarthy my Johanna McCarthy? Many thanks for any help you can give me.
Descendant of Murby
There is a J Macarthy aged 28, born Ireland, status 'employee' female servant, living in St James' Westminster coming up on both the Family Search 1851 census records and GenesReunited for 1851. I am a subscriber to ancestry.co.uk and I cannot find the same matching record for this person. Please could somebody kindly have a look at the record for me?
Context: I am wondering (hoping) this is Johanna McCarthy, born 1823 Ireland, who moved to England with her son William McCarthy born c.1846 Ireland. I haven't been able to find her - Johanna - in 1851/1861/ 1871 although she pops up in 1881 aged 58 living with her son William's family in Little Windmill St, St James' Westminster. So, I am really hoping this 'J Macarthy, servant' could be her in 1851. Although not sure where her son William is - he'd only be about 5 years old and I can't find him on the census until 1871 aged 25 (although I have details of his marriage to Ann Barker in 1867). Johanna's 'husband' and father of William is a 'Charles McCarthy, Tailor' (so it says on William's marriage certificate), but he is proving equally elusive. Anyway, first things first. Is this 1851 J Macarthy my Johanna McCarthy? Many thanks for any help you can give me.
Descendant of Murby
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London & Middlesex Lookup Requests / John TITUS (1753-1820) and Dorcas REDPATH (c.1762-1826)
« on: Tuesday 20 August 13 16:41 BST (UK) »
Dear Rootschatters
I have already had some 'chatting' about the Titus family last year - namely John Titus and Dorcas' daughter Ann Titus (my great great great grandmother) but I have found out a bit more about John above - my GGGG grandfather who was born in Maidstone Kent in 1753 and apprenticed to a dyer in the City of London, Rachael Wilkins, in 1768. He operated as a dyer in Northampton Street area of Clerkenwell from about 1776 - 1800. He died in 1820 and is buried in Bunhill Fields Burial Ground aged 67 (much of this information is from Rootschatters so many thanks!). His father seems to be a John Titus, Grocer from Maidstone Kent (1727-1795). John Titus the dyer married Dorcas Redpath on 29th April 1781, St Mary the Virgin, Albermanbury, London. Presumably John was now firmly established in the City of London as a dyer after his apprenticeship. They seemed to have three children only: Sarah (1786), Ann (my direct ancestor in 1791) and John in 1793. I can't find any more children, which means there was quite a gap between their marriage and firstborn - which is unusual.
I really just want to know if anyone is looking up the Titus family of Maidstone and/ or has any more information on Dorcas Redpath. She has got a really unusual name but I can't find anything about her ancestry before her marriage to John Titus in London.
So, if anyone has an interest in this subject, or information which may flesh the information I have got out a bit, please post a reply.
Many thanks.
Descendant of Murby
I have already had some 'chatting' about the Titus family last year - namely John Titus and Dorcas' daughter Ann Titus (my great great great grandmother) but I have found out a bit more about John above - my GGGG grandfather who was born in Maidstone Kent in 1753 and apprenticed to a dyer in the City of London, Rachael Wilkins, in 1768. He operated as a dyer in Northampton Street area of Clerkenwell from about 1776 - 1800. He died in 1820 and is buried in Bunhill Fields Burial Ground aged 67 (much of this information is from Rootschatters so many thanks!). His father seems to be a John Titus, Grocer from Maidstone Kent (1727-1795). John Titus the dyer married Dorcas Redpath on 29th April 1781, St Mary the Virgin, Albermanbury, London. Presumably John was now firmly established in the City of London as a dyer after his apprenticeship. They seemed to have three children only: Sarah (1786), Ann (my direct ancestor in 1791) and John in 1793. I can't find any more children, which means there was quite a gap between their marriage and firstborn - which is unusual.
I really just want to know if anyone is looking up the Titus family of Maidstone and/ or has any more information on Dorcas Redpath. She has got a really unusual name but I can't find anything about her ancestry before her marriage to John Titus in London.
So, if anyone has an interest in this subject, or information which may flesh the information I have got out a bit, please post a reply.
Many thanks.
Descendant of Murby
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Devon Lookup Requests / John Drew & Eliza Isaac marriage 1839 East Stonehouse
« on: Friday 19 October 12 16:37 BST (UK) »
Dear Rootshchatters
I've been trying to find a marriage for John Drew and Eliza Isaac (I have posted info about these two on the Dorset look-up board, as John Drew was born in Cattistock). Rootshchatters on the Dorset board are pretty sure they married but can't find a 'date'.
I have tried BMD index and there is a John Drew marrying in East Stonehouse Devon in the Oct period 1839. There is also an Eliza Isaac marrying in East Stonehouse Devon in the Oct period 1839. But they are not 'linking up' on the BMD index, as the page numbers seem to be different (although these are typed copies, not the originals).
On ancestry.com there are details for both John Drew and Eliza Isaac listed separately, marrying in East Stonehouse in 1839 Oct period. Could someone please click into the detail and see if they were actually marrying each other?! I really hope they are as that would solve a lot of my problems!
I know an Eliza Isaac and a John Drew had a child Edwin Drew in Bath in 1842 as they are listed in the Bath BMD index (knowledge gained from very helpful Rootschatters) so, this date of 1839 would 'fit' well.
Many thanks in anticipation.
Descendant of Murby
I've been trying to find a marriage for John Drew and Eliza Isaac (I have posted info about these two on the Dorset look-up board, as John Drew was born in Cattistock). Rootshchatters on the Dorset board are pretty sure they married but can't find a 'date'.
I have tried BMD index and there is a John Drew marrying in East Stonehouse Devon in the Oct period 1839. There is also an Eliza Isaac marrying in East Stonehouse Devon in the Oct period 1839. But they are not 'linking up' on the BMD index, as the page numbers seem to be different (although these are typed copies, not the originals).
On ancestry.com there are details for both John Drew and Eliza Isaac listed separately, marrying in East Stonehouse in 1839 Oct period. Could someone please click into the detail and see if they were actually marrying each other?! I really hope they are as that would solve a lot of my problems!
I know an Eliza Isaac and a John Drew had a child Edwin Drew in Bath in 1842 as they are listed in the Bath BMD index (knowledge gained from very helpful Rootschatters) so, this date of 1839 would 'fit' well.
Many thanks in anticipation.
Descendant of Murby
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Dorset Lookup Requests / Re: Drew(e) family from Cattistock, Dorset - namely John Drew(e) b.1804 c.Cattistock
« on: Friday 19 October 12 12:31 BST (UK) »
Thank you all again for the further useful information.
I was very interested in the maiden name of Eliza - Isaac. Would any of you have any idea why there doesn't seem to be any record of a John Drew marrying an Eliza Isaac? If Edwin was their first-born child in 1842 it seems likely that they only married a year or two before his birth.....
I also cannot find any birth record for an Eliza Isaac in Great Badminton - although there are lots of other Isaacs being born there around 1810-1815, which could be her siblings.
Also, another thought - is it a bit usual that John and Eliza don't name their first-born sons and daughters Eliza and John? They don't name any of their children after themselves.
I'll keep this topic open for a little bit longer in case anyone has any more useful thoughts or information but again, thank you all for your help.
Best wishes
Descendant of Murby
I was very interested in the maiden name of Eliza - Isaac. Would any of you have any idea why there doesn't seem to be any record of a John Drew marrying an Eliza Isaac? If Edwin was their first-born child in 1842 it seems likely that they only married a year or two before his birth.....
I also cannot find any birth record for an Eliza Isaac in Great Badminton - although there are lots of other Isaacs being born there around 1810-1815, which could be her siblings.
Also, another thought - is it a bit usual that John and Eliza don't name their first-born sons and daughters Eliza and John? They don't name any of their children after themselves.
I'll keep this topic open for a little bit longer in case anyone has any more useful thoughts or information but again, thank you all for your help.
Best wishes
Descendant of Murby
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Dorset Lookup Requests / Re: Drew(e) family from Cattistock, Dorset - namely John Drew(e) b.1804 c.Cattistock
« on: Tuesday 16 October 12 18:02 BST (UK) »
Rootschatters! Thank you so much for all your responses so far!
Could I ask:
Claire - for the marriage of John Drew(e) and Dorothy Hunt in 1804 - were they both 'of the parish'? I'm pretty sure John is, but I can't find much about Dorothy.
Yes, the Drew(e) family and the Nobbs family have a connection - Thomas Drew who married Mary Ford was the son of Joseph Drew and Mellier/ Melliar/ Melior Nobbs (I think - again all my knowledge is from Family Search, which is limited in its scope - but this seems to be verified by smudwhisk's info given below).
Richard - in reply to you. This is what I know about John Drew(e), born at sea, christened in Cattistock in 1805. He married Eliza who confusingly could have been born in Bedminster (as in just outside Bristol) or Badminton, South Gloucestershire.... as she is down as both in various censuses, and also sometimes a combo of the two, mis-spelt), in about 1814. They could be the John Drew and Eliza Winston married at St James' Bristol in 1837, 12th May. But this might not be them! I know I could verify Eliza's family name by buying one of her children's birth certs, but at the moment I haven't done this (as this is not my family, but that of a friend, so trying to investigate without spending my £££ if you see what I mean!).
I don't know anything very much about either of their early years (which is what I am trying to find out about here....), but they seemed to move from the West Country to Kent (Medway/ Chatham) in the mid 1840s and then to Whitechapel/ Stepney area from 1850s onwards until their deaths. I gauge this from where their kids are born and where I can find them on the censuses.
Census info for them:
I'm not sure if I have them correctly for the 1841 census frankly (maybe in Bristol, St Paul)
1851 - 2 Bell Road, Stepney. He's a Groundsman, Sewer aged 47 and she's 37; kids - Edwin aged 9, born Bath; Jane aged 5, born Chatham, Ann E aged 8 months, born Mile End New Town.
1861 - can't find them anywhere, even though I've searched extensively.
1871 - 55 Underwood St, Whitechapel. He's got 'no trade', aged 67, born 'at sea'! She's a Slipper Binder, aged 57. They are living with their daughter, Mary Ann Drew, aged 17, Box Maker (she's the person whose descendants I am interested in!) and 'grandson' Edwin J(ohn) Drew aged 11 months, born Whitechapel (I can't find him anywhere on the BMD index and he doesn't seem to be alive by 1881). Not sure whose child he is....?
1874 John Drew dies in Whitechapel aged 71.
1881 - Eliza has changed her name to Edwards (although she doesn't seem to have got married according to the BMD index!) is aged 67 and a Needleworker, Widow, a living at 5 James St, St George in the East, with daughter Mary Ann Drew, Tailoress, and Mary Ann's three children who all have the surname Drew - even though she got married to George Charles Baker in Dec 1873. Mary Ann is also listed as a 'widow'.
1891 - Eliza Edwards, widow aged 80 is living in the workhouse, St George in the East.
1893, an Eliza Edwards dies aged 81 in the workhouse and is buried in the East London Cemetry.
The children who seem to be listed on various censuses are:
Edwin Drew born Bath 1842 (married in 1866 in Stepney, John Drew is down as 'excavator' then).
Jane Drew - born 1845 Medway (Chatham is her place of birth, listed on various censuses). She marries Alfred Hollyfield in 1872 in Middlesex. Someone has added a note to the BMD index for this marriage so I know it is Jane as she is down as daughter of John Drew, excavator. They seem to have a child Martha Jane Hollyfield in 1874 who dies young and then they seem to disappear off the censuses completely. Perhaps they emigrated?
Ann Elizabeth - born 1850 in Whitechapel. She marries Louis Juchan in 1871 in Bethnal Green, John Drew is down as 'excavator'.
Mary Ann Drew - born 1853, Whitechapel. She marries George Baker in 1873 and John Drew is down as 'bricklayer'.
On Mary Ann Drew's son's birth certificate (Henry Herbert Drew) in 1885 she puts down her father John Drew as the father (as she probably doesn't want to name the real father) and his occupation at that time, 1885, is General Labourer.
I'm not sure exactly what an excavator does - apart from presumably dig holes! Sewers? Underground tunnels for the tube? What could have taken him to Chatham?
I'd love to know more about John Drew (born at sea/ excavator)'s early life and if he had siblings and more about his parents.
Thanks for your help so far, and any more suggestions or info very much appreciated.
Descendant of Murby
Could I ask:
Claire - for the marriage of John Drew(e) and Dorothy Hunt in 1804 - were they both 'of the parish'? I'm pretty sure John is, but I can't find much about Dorothy.
Yes, the Drew(e) family and the Nobbs family have a connection - Thomas Drew who married Mary Ford was the son of Joseph Drew and Mellier/ Melliar/ Melior Nobbs (I think - again all my knowledge is from Family Search, which is limited in its scope - but this seems to be verified by smudwhisk's info given below).
Richard - in reply to you. This is what I know about John Drew(e), born at sea, christened in Cattistock in 1805. He married Eliza who confusingly could have been born in Bedminster (as in just outside Bristol) or Badminton, South Gloucestershire.... as she is down as both in various censuses, and also sometimes a combo of the two, mis-spelt), in about 1814. They could be the John Drew and Eliza Winston married at St James' Bristol in 1837, 12th May. But this might not be them! I know I could verify Eliza's family name by buying one of her children's birth certs, but at the moment I haven't done this (as this is not my family, but that of a friend, so trying to investigate without spending my £££ if you see what I mean!).
I don't know anything very much about either of their early years (which is what I am trying to find out about here....), but they seemed to move from the West Country to Kent (Medway/ Chatham) in the mid 1840s and then to Whitechapel/ Stepney area from 1850s onwards until their deaths. I gauge this from where their kids are born and where I can find them on the censuses.
Census info for them:
I'm not sure if I have them correctly for the 1841 census frankly (maybe in Bristol, St Paul)
1851 - 2 Bell Road, Stepney. He's a Groundsman, Sewer aged 47 and she's 37; kids - Edwin aged 9, born Bath; Jane aged 5, born Chatham, Ann E aged 8 months, born Mile End New Town.
1861 - can't find them anywhere, even though I've searched extensively.
1871 - 55 Underwood St, Whitechapel. He's got 'no trade', aged 67, born 'at sea'! She's a Slipper Binder, aged 57. They are living with their daughter, Mary Ann Drew, aged 17, Box Maker (she's the person whose descendants I am interested in!) and 'grandson' Edwin J(ohn) Drew aged 11 months, born Whitechapel (I can't find him anywhere on the BMD index and he doesn't seem to be alive by 1881). Not sure whose child he is....?
1874 John Drew dies in Whitechapel aged 71.
1881 - Eliza has changed her name to Edwards (although she doesn't seem to have got married according to the BMD index!) is aged 67 and a Needleworker, Widow, a living at 5 James St, St George in the East, with daughter Mary Ann Drew, Tailoress, and Mary Ann's three children who all have the surname Drew - even though she got married to George Charles Baker in Dec 1873. Mary Ann is also listed as a 'widow'.
1891 - Eliza Edwards, widow aged 80 is living in the workhouse, St George in the East.
1893, an Eliza Edwards dies aged 81 in the workhouse and is buried in the East London Cemetry.
The children who seem to be listed on various censuses are:
Edwin Drew born Bath 1842 (married in 1866 in Stepney, John Drew is down as 'excavator' then).
Jane Drew - born 1845 Medway (Chatham is her place of birth, listed on various censuses). She marries Alfred Hollyfield in 1872 in Middlesex. Someone has added a note to the BMD index for this marriage so I know it is Jane as she is down as daughter of John Drew, excavator. They seem to have a child Martha Jane Hollyfield in 1874 who dies young and then they seem to disappear off the censuses completely. Perhaps they emigrated?
Ann Elizabeth - born 1850 in Whitechapel. She marries Louis Juchan in 1871 in Bethnal Green, John Drew is down as 'excavator'.
Mary Ann Drew - born 1853, Whitechapel. She marries George Baker in 1873 and John Drew is down as 'bricklayer'.
On Mary Ann Drew's son's birth certificate (Henry Herbert Drew) in 1885 she puts down her father John Drew as the father (as she probably doesn't want to name the real father) and his occupation at that time, 1885, is General Labourer.
I'm not sure exactly what an excavator does - apart from presumably dig holes! Sewers? Underground tunnels for the tube? What could have taken him to Chatham?
I'd love to know more about John Drew (born at sea/ excavator)'s early life and if he had siblings and more about his parents.
Thanks for your help so far, and any more suggestions or info very much appreciated.
Descendant of Murby
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Dorset Lookup Requests / Drew(e) family from Cattistock, Dorset - namely John Drew(e) b.1804 c.Cattistock
« on: Sunday 14 October 12 15:46 BST (UK) »
Hi Rootschatters
I am trying to find out more about John Drew(e) and his parents and siblings. He was born 'at sea' and christened on Jan 6 1805 in Cattistock. I think his parents are John Drew(e) and Dorothy Hunt who were married in Cattistock on 30 April 1804 (from the Family Search website... may be correct, not sure).
I'd love to know if I have his parents correctly named, any other children they had, what John's father did for a living and any info about his mother (if she is Dorothy Hunt, I can't find anything about her).
Also, why was John Drew actually 'born at sea' - (he proudly states this on various census entries). What was his mother doing 'at sea' exactly?
I know quite a lot about his subsequent life. He marries Eliza and moves to Whitechapel and is an 'excavator', dying in 1874 in Whitechapel, but I want to find out about his early life and his parentage.
Many thanks for any help or advice.
Descendant of Murby
I am trying to find out more about John Drew(e) and his parents and siblings. He was born 'at sea' and christened on Jan 6 1805 in Cattistock. I think his parents are John Drew(e) and Dorothy Hunt who were married in Cattistock on 30 April 1804 (from the Family Search website... may be correct, not sure).
I'd love to know if I have his parents correctly named, any other children they had, what John's father did for a living and any info about his mother (if she is Dorothy Hunt, I can't find anything about her).
Also, why was John Drew actually 'born at sea' - (he proudly states this on various census entries). What was his mother doing 'at sea' exactly?
I know quite a lot about his subsequent life. He marries Eliza and moves to Whitechapel and is an 'excavator', dying in 1874 in Whitechapel, but I want to find out about his early life and his parentage.
Many thanks for any help or advice.
Descendant of Murby
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London & Middlesex Completed Lookup Requests / Re: John & Eliza Drew living in Mile End New Town
« on: Sunday 30 September 12 19:08 BST (UK) »
Just seen there's an Eliza Edwards born in 1813 (place not named) living in Whitechapel Mile End New Town on Genes Reunited 1861 - do you think this could be her? Remembering she seems to change her name to Edwards after John Drew dies.... and is Eliza Edwards in 1881. Just a thought. I can't access it but it could be her.....