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Armed Forces / Re: Looking for help with a blank Naval record - why would this be?
« on: Tuesday 23 January 24 17:09 GMT (UK) »
If George had done a runner, would there be an AWOL record anywhere?
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Armed Forces / Re: Looking for help with a blank Naval record - why would this be?
« on: Monday 22 January 24 11:43 GMT (UK) »
I have looked on NA archives and there are no more. Where would I find it, maybe?
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Armed Forces / Re: Looking for help with a blank Naval record - why would this be?
« on: Sunday 21 January 24 19:59 GMT (UK) »
OK Thanks
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Armed Forces / Re: Looking for help with a blank Naval record - why would this be?
« on: Sunday 21 January 24 19:03 GMT (UK) »
Other pages such as parental permission etc are completed and he is listed on the 1871 census as not being on board the Duke of Wellington, Including Her Tenders, The Victory, Black Eagle, Firequeen, and Sprightly. He is also recorded in 1871 as being at home with his father and his father's new wife, in Portsea, which all fits. His mother had died in 1869.
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Armed Forces / Re: Looking for help with a blank Naval record - why would this be?
« on: Sunday 21 January 24 18:55 GMT (UK) »
Hope this works!
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Armed Forces / Looking for help with a blank Naval record - why would this be?
« on: Sunday 21 January 24 18:32 GMT (UK) »
I am trying to trace the life (and death) of one George Ketchley who joined the Royal Navy as a boy in 1866 and, again, 'as a man' on his 17th birthday on March 28th 1870. I think for a period of 10 years.
I would appreciate it if someone could explain to me how this system worked and why his record (which I have from the National Archives) might be blank. (THe sheet that usually has ships and dates served etc is there, but empty)
George was from Hampshire. He married in Liverpool in Feb 1878 and fathered a child born in Boston, Massachusetts in November 1878. On his marriage certificate he is described as 'a mariner', could he have still been in the RN (as this date is within his 10 year service period)? Is there a way to trace ships, naval or otherwise from Liverpool to the USA in this period?
Finally, I can find no further info on George in either the UK or US. His wife appears to have married again in Massachusetts in 1888 so, unless this marriage was bigamous (which is a possibility) George died between February 1878 and Sept 1888. TIA
I would appreciate it if someone could explain to me how this system worked and why his record (which I have from the National Archives) might be blank. (THe sheet that usually has ships and dates served etc is there, but empty)
George was from Hampshire. He married in Liverpool in Feb 1878 and fathered a child born in Boston, Massachusetts in November 1878. On his marriage certificate he is described as 'a mariner', could he have still been in the RN (as this date is within his 10 year service period)? Is there a way to trace ships, naval or otherwise from Liverpool to the USA in this period?
Finally, I can find no further info on George in either the UK or US. His wife appears to have married again in Massachusetts in 1888 so, unless this marriage was bigamous (which is a possibility) George died between February 1878 and Sept 1888. TIA
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United States of America / Re: George & Henrietta Ketchley & William E Murphy in Boston - Help with US records
« on: Thursday 18 January 24 18:17 GMT (UK) »
So, thanks to his eagle eyes and that census record found by Alan Boyd, I have found the UK (and Irish) end of Henrietta's story.
Barbara Jane Quinn (sometimes with Adeline thrown in) was Henrietta's oldest sister and James Alto was her brother. The family were Irish Roman Catholics and, on their mother's admission in court after Barbara Jane's death, sometimes their confirmation names were used. The Margaret on the 1871 record is Henrietta, so she was born around 1855 in Ireland.
The inquest into Barbara Jane's death was reported at length in the English press at the time and is summarised here, although there are some inaccuracies in this summary. https://victorian-supersleuth.com/the-final-words-of-adeline-quinn/
I have found further records of the father, Felix James, who is variously an engineer and a land surveyor in addition to Henrietta's marriage description of him as an architect.
Barbara Jane was killed (the verdict was manslaughter) on 13 June 1877. Henrietta married George on 23 Feb 1878 and gave birth in Boston on 4 November 1878.
I can't find her daughter's birth in those links, her daughter was Henrietta Mary, but will look again as I am not familiar with their use. i also still don''t know what happened to George Ketchley and Henrietta after November 1878.
Any help appreciated!
Barbara Jane Quinn (sometimes with Adeline thrown in) was Henrietta's oldest sister and James Alto was her brother. The family were Irish Roman Catholics and, on their mother's admission in court after Barbara Jane's death, sometimes their confirmation names were used. The Margaret on the 1871 record is Henrietta, so she was born around 1855 in Ireland.
The inquest into Barbara Jane's death was reported at length in the English press at the time and is summarised here, although there are some inaccuracies in this summary. https://victorian-supersleuth.com/the-final-words-of-adeline-quinn/
I have found further records of the father, Felix James, who is variously an engineer and a land surveyor in addition to Henrietta's marriage description of him as an architect.
Barbara Jane was killed (the verdict was manslaughter) on 13 June 1877. Henrietta married George on 23 Feb 1878 and gave birth in Boston on 4 November 1878.
I can't find her daughter's birth in those links, her daughter was Henrietta Mary, but will look again as I am not familiar with their use. i also still don''t know what happened to George Ketchley and Henrietta after November 1878.
Any help appreciated!
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United States of America / Re: George & Henrietta Ketchley & William E Murphy in Boston - Help with US records
« on: Thursday 18 January 24 14:17 GMT (UK) »
Hello and thank you for all your help with this.
I will dig around for those Quinn's in Liverpool as mentioned by Alan Boyd.
My instinct is that Henrietta's marriage certificate contains a few untruths (including maybe her age) but I need to prove it! There is a record of a marriage licence applied for by George, presumably on the grounds that he was a mariner and headed out of town but it contains no further info unless I am missing something.
George also seems to be with his parents in the 1871 census but if he was serving in the RN in Portsmouth and they lived there then maybe he went home often? His Naval record is also online but it is blank. George appears to have signed up for 10 years in the navy in 1870 but his record is blank. His 1878 marriage in Liverpool is within this 10 year period. Would a marriage certificate differentiate between a Naval rating and a merchant seaman? How would the wife of either a navy sailor or a merchant seaman also get to the USA? I am asking so that I know where to look.
I also suspect that she and George abandoned their daughter. Are the Boston death records for this period online? It appears not. As with the Infant Asylum, would I need to ask for someone in Boston to kindly go and look for this information? If so, how do I go about this?
So..... I will check out Liverpool and wait to hear more about Boston. Thank you.
I will dig around for those Quinn's in Liverpool as mentioned by Alan Boyd.
My instinct is that Henrietta's marriage certificate contains a few untruths (including maybe her age) but I need to prove it! There is a record of a marriage licence applied for by George, presumably on the grounds that he was a mariner and headed out of town but it contains no further info unless I am missing something.
George also seems to be with his parents in the 1871 census but if he was serving in the RN in Portsmouth and they lived there then maybe he went home often? His Naval record is also online but it is blank. George appears to have signed up for 10 years in the navy in 1870 but his record is blank. His 1878 marriage in Liverpool is within this 10 year period. Would a marriage certificate differentiate between a Naval rating and a merchant seaman? How would the wife of either a navy sailor or a merchant seaman also get to the USA? I am asking so that I know where to look.
I also suspect that she and George abandoned their daughter. Are the Boston death records for this period online? It appears not. As with the Infant Asylum, would I need to ask for someone in Boston to kindly go and look for this information? If so, how do I go about this?
So..... I will check out Liverpool and wait to hear more about Boston. Thank you.
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United States of America / Re: George & Henrietta Ketchley & William E Murphy in Boston - Help with US records
« on: Sunday 14 January 24 15:00 GMT (UK) »
Great point about her actually signing as Quinn. I had already picked up on the sister (?) Agnes possibility. I can't find her either!