RootsChat.Com

Refer "Dawnsh" above
        Over the past 28 years or more I have been trying to find this Vickie who would have been an Aunt to me.
In doing so I have followed many erroneous paths hence the links shown above by Dawnsh.
I thank Dawnsh for her help on those occasions but make no apology for them to others !
 
DIVORCE
   An academic Roy Stockton investigated a number of cases of bigamy in Victorian times, and had articles published on the subject, he believed that bigamous marriages were far more common in those days than is generally believed. The reason was that most ordinary people couldn't afford otherwise.

An extract from his articles follows…..   
   Until 1858 it was only possible to get a divorce by bringing a private Act of Parliament. And for many years after that one had to be pretty well- heeled.    Divorce didn't become more easily accessible for ordinary people until the late 1920s when legal aid came in. But even then there was a period of    waiting between what was called the decree nisi and the degree absolute, during which time the authorities investigated and if there was any suggestion of collusion between the parties, then the divorce was rescinded.
"End extract"

I have searched the divorce records. There is no record of Lillie or  Alfred Ernest ever getting a divorce.
I have all the BDM records for this side of my family along with the appropriate BDM certs.

Local burial records appear to be my last chance of finding this girls records  but so far I have made no progress with searching them.

There is a very intriguing story behind this Vickie and her family which only came to light on my maternal Grnd. Father's death. It is important to me for this reason if none other.

FACT
I have been looking for years for a little girl known as Vickie (Vicky, Victoria?).
She was probably a still birth or born alive and died almost immediately there after.

Parents were Lillie (nee CONNAH) and Alfred Ernest MATHEW.

Lillie was born 31Jan1887 in Buxton, Derbyshire, and Baptised 27-2-1887.
Albert Ernest Born 31-July- 1879 at Mile End, baptized 4-Sept-1884 at St Pauls, Shadwell, Tower Hamlets.

Lillie CONNAH Married Alfred Ernest MATHEW at Mile End 1905/Q4 ref 1C706a
      
SPECULATION
Lillie married Mathew (a travelling musician) as the result of a pregnancy. Is this the elusive Vickie?

FACT
Vickie would have been born in the period about 1905/Q1 to 1906/Q4 or possibly as late as 1909/Q1 when Lillie's second daughter (Ruth Janette) was conceived though this later period is unlikely.

During this time this couple were living at Lillie's mother's house at 11Jupps Rd. Mile End.

There is no record of the birth or death of Vickie MATHEW (or CONNAH) in the BDM registers.

To confuse matters Lillie continued to live at Jupps Rd (as a bigamously married couple) with William Henry FLEMING from about 1909 so Vickie could have been under the surname Fleming, though this is very unlikely. (See 1911 census below for this address)

I have attempted to search the "Burial records" on several occasions but have all ways got "no records" or adverts for books.

I am un-familiar with these burial records so I am probably doing something wrong.
Any assistance or information with this issue will be very much appreciated.

1911 Census for CONNAH
Address is 11 Jupps Road the census reference is RG14 Piece 1630 RG78PN57 RD21 SD2 ED14 SN119.
Name                 Relation       Yrs married        Sex     Age Birth Year      Occupation      Where Born
CONNAH, Mary Ruth   Head           Married 30 years F       50     1861                                     Manchester
FLEMING, William Henry     Son In Law  Married               M       26     1885    Butchers Assistant   Bethnal Green
FLEMING, Lillie                   Daughter      Married 4 years    F      24     1887                                     Buxton Derbyshire
FLEMING, Ruth Janette       Granddaughter Single      F    1y5m    1910                                    London Hospital
CONNAH, Arthur                  Son                  Single   M      20      1891    Labourer General    Leyton Essex
CONNAH, Herbert                Son                  Single         F       17      1894    Labourer General    Leyton Essex
FLEMING                              Granddaughter                   F         0 (3 DAYS) 1911                         Mile End

1911 Census for MATHEWS
Living at 16 South Grove, Bow East, Mile End, London.
Frances      mother   wid   68    Aldermaston, Berkshire.           B c1843
Alfred Ernest      son   unm   30   Mile End      Travelling Musician    B c1879
Florence Maud      dau   unm   29   Mile End      Cook in dining rooms B c1882

Sorry, my last reply was not to clear.

I haven't gone back and checked all my posts but I would bet that most if not all are for this little girl.
I have been looking for her on and off since about 1995.

The only info that I have is....
Name Victoria, know as Vickie: Born and died in Bethnal Grn area: Family story "died very young".
This told to me from family member aged about 60 in 1945.
I have searched all the family surnames (5 of them and plus several variants), for Victoria's and come up empty handed.
If the rabbit doesn't pop out of the hat soon I will give up. 
I would prefer to go do a different type of fishing  :-)
Cheers, and thanks.

Since found out that still births were not registered until 1926 or so.

Thanks to all.
I have dredged through the BMD's it seems for ever in both the maiden and married surname.
Unfortunately both surnames are prone to several variations.
The information given to me was that this girl "died very young", the word very was emphasized.
I have been hunting this wee girl for about 12 years now without success.
The mother was liberal with her favours so there could well have been a third man.
I have even considered the idea that this woman may have been baby sitting the child for a relation.
Needless to say I am about to give up.

I appreciate all the help you have given me on this matter.
Many thanks.


 

Yes I too have a photograph that is as good as a DNA Test in linking a son to a father. The real father was also a god father at the christening.


Blue

Thank you Blue and all you others for your assistance with this issue.
I did suspect that my mother would be considered illegitimate but was not sure about that or my status.
There are a total of 5 children involved, 1 other of them will also be illigitimate as well.
The other 3 will therefore be considered legitimate having been born of man no 1 within wedlock .
Many thanks to all.