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Ireland / Re: Help, marriage certificates for Allen, Brown, Jameson, Sterling & Holmes (Derry)
« on: Friday 08 October 10 18:06 BST (UK) »
I cannot find anything, can anyone help? Thanks
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Derry (Londonderry) / Re: Jamieson?Jamison Waterside Londonderry
« on: Friday 08 October 10 15:36 BST (UK) »no direct relationship that I know of, but is this the Martha born April 1869 who married Alexander in 1889 at 2nd Presby. Church in Glendermot?
Hmm, this is interesting - the Martha in my family was born around 1869-1870, she was a Presbyterian and did marry an Alexander Jameson. I shall have a quick look to see where she was married and get back to you shortly!
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Ireland / Re: Help, marriage certificates for Allen, Brown, Jameson, Sterling & Holmes (Derry)
« on: Friday 08 October 10 14:43 BST (UK) »Irish Marriage certs only contain father's name - no details of mother.
You can search the Civil BMD Index online on familysearch, and order certs from the GRO or GRONI using the references. The online version of the index only includes details for Northern Ireland up to 1921.
See :
Introduction to Irish Records
Details included on a Marriage Cert
Shane
Hi
Thanks for the links - unfortuantely I can find no links on familysearch to my relatives...
I will try again. Thanks
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Derry (Londonderry) / Re: Jamieson?Jamison Waterside Londonderry
« on: Friday 08 October 10 14:39 BST (UK) »
Hi, I do not know if my relative is connected to your family but I am currently trying to research an Alexander Jameson, from Derry, who married my grandmother's sister Martha Sterling, whose parents were John Sterling and Elizabeth Steel. I am just curious, as I can find no information on Alexander Jameson whether he is connected to your family. Thanks
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Ireland / Help, marriage certificates for Allen, Brown, Jameson, Sterling & Holmes (Derry)
« on: Friday 08 October 10 14:06 BST (UK) »
Hi,
I am having significant difficulty in finding the full marriage certificates for four members of my family. If anyone can help me, I would be absolutely delighted. I am looking for the full marriage certificates because I am trying to find the respective parents of both sets of bride and groom. I know that Martha Sterling and Margaret Sterling’s parents were John Sterling and Elizabeth Steel but as of yet I can find no trace of parents for the other members of my family? All that I would really like to know are the names of their parents, if possible. Unfortunately because I still do not have access to online ancestry sites it is difficult for me to find information. I believe that all should have been born in Londonderry or have some connection with Derry at the very least. Any help would be very much appreciated!
The names are:
Martha Sterling (Born in Londonderry) and Alexander Jameson (Married between 1890 and 1925)
James Brown and Catherine McKeenichan (A marriage certificate for James Brown’s son Robert shows his parents as Catherine McKeenichan – I do not know if this is her actual surname as it sounds quite unusual, perhaps McKinihan is more appropriate? Either James or Catherine may have had Scottish ancestry) (Married between 1845 and 1890)
Also:
Margaret Sterling and James Allen (Married between 1910 and 1925)
David Holmes and Tillie (maiden name unknown) (Married between 1890 and 1915)
Many thanks!
I am having significant difficulty in finding the full marriage certificates for four members of my family. If anyone can help me, I would be absolutely delighted. I am looking for the full marriage certificates because I am trying to find the respective parents of both sets of bride and groom. I know that Martha Sterling and Margaret Sterling’s parents were John Sterling and Elizabeth Steel but as of yet I can find no trace of parents for the other members of my family? All that I would really like to know are the names of their parents, if possible. Unfortunately because I still do not have access to online ancestry sites it is difficult for me to find information. I believe that all should have been born in Londonderry or have some connection with Derry at the very least. Any help would be very much appreciated!
The names are:
Martha Sterling (Born in Londonderry) and Alexander Jameson (Married between 1890 and 1925)
James Brown and Catherine McKeenichan (A marriage certificate for James Brown’s son Robert shows his parents as Catherine McKeenichan – I do not know if this is her actual surname as it sounds quite unusual, perhaps McKinihan is more appropriate? Either James or Catherine may have had Scottish ancestry) (Married between 1845 and 1890)
Also:
Margaret Sterling and James Allen (Married between 1910 and 1925)
David Holmes and Tillie (maiden name unknown) (Married between 1890 and 1915)
Many thanks!
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Derry (Londonderry) / Re: Apprentice Boys?
« on: Thursday 07 October 10 21:31 BST (UK) »
Hi,
Thanks again for the information! It is very much appreciated!
Thank you also for the link to the Diamond War Memorial Project! – Frederick Lawrence’s father was indeed in the British Army; he was initially in the West Suffolk Militia and then served as a Sergeant in the West Norfolk Regiment and served in India. I did not realise that there were indeed membership roles for the UVF, so it is very exciting to learn that there are. My knowledge of the UVF and this period of Irish history is not particularly strong, but I do believe that the UVF were a particularly well ordered organisation – can I ask whether or not the Irish Volunteers were similarly well organised and if there are records for the Irish Volunteers akin to the UVF? It is, as you say quite ironic that the UVF were indeed the rebels. As you say, the Covenant really is a great source of information and I was actually pleasantly surprised when I came across the Covenant online because I had no idea that it had been digitised. If it is not too much trouble, could I possibly ask if David Holmes was a member of the UVF? He lived in 104 Fountain Street and signed the Covenant along with his wife Tillie in 1912. I am afraid that I do not know where Alexander Jameson actually lived in the city. I had actually thought that I would find members of the Sterling family – who are connected to my family – including John and Edward, who were politically active and lived in the Fountain area of the city, had signed the Covenant – but unfortunately it would appear that they did not. Edward Sterling lived in the same house as James and Margaret Allen, 10 Kennedy Street, and he also had an address at 35 Fountain Street and 18 Kennedy Street. Also, if you do not mind, Samuel (Sammy) Lawrence who lived at 25 Walkers Place or 16 Long Tower Street?
I hope that this is not too much trouble!
Many thanks!
Thanks again for the information! It is very much appreciated!
Thank you also for the link to the Diamond War Memorial Project! – Frederick Lawrence’s father was indeed in the British Army; he was initially in the West Suffolk Militia and then served as a Sergeant in the West Norfolk Regiment and served in India. I did not realise that there were indeed membership roles for the UVF, so it is very exciting to learn that there are. My knowledge of the UVF and this period of Irish history is not particularly strong, but I do believe that the UVF were a particularly well ordered organisation – can I ask whether or not the Irish Volunteers were similarly well organised and if there are records for the Irish Volunteers akin to the UVF? It is, as you say quite ironic that the UVF were indeed the rebels. As you say, the Covenant really is a great source of information and I was actually pleasantly surprised when I came across the Covenant online because I had no idea that it had been digitised. If it is not too much trouble, could I possibly ask if David Holmes was a member of the UVF? He lived in 104 Fountain Street and signed the Covenant along with his wife Tillie in 1912. I am afraid that I do not know where Alexander Jameson actually lived in the city. I had actually thought that I would find members of the Sterling family – who are connected to my family – including John and Edward, who were politically active and lived in the Fountain area of the city, had signed the Covenant – but unfortunately it would appear that they did not. Edward Sterling lived in the same house as James and Margaret Allen, 10 Kennedy Street, and he also had an address at 35 Fountain Street and 18 Kennedy Street. Also, if you do not mind, Samuel (Sammy) Lawrence who lived at 25 Walkers Place or 16 Long Tower Street?
I hope that this is not too much trouble!
Many thanks!
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Derry (Londonderry) / Re: Apprentice Boys?
« on: Saturday 02 October 10 10:09 BST (UK) »I cannot begin to thank you enough for all of this wonderful information; it is very much deeply appreciated! As I have very little concrete knowledge of the Apprentice Boys and the Orange Order here in the city, I am absolutely delighted that you have so generously given me so much information concerning the membership and structure of the organisation, thank you very much.
I was not aware that James Allen had been in the army and after I saw your post, I asked a friend if she could kindly search ancestry.com and she found several documents relating to James Allen’s First World War record and prior military service, which is just fantastic. Prior to the First World War James Allen was in the Rifle Brigade before transferring to the Inniskilling Fusiliers and the Labour Corps. He served 16 years in the army, and saw active service in Egypt, India and South Africa during the Boer War, being awarded the Queen’s South Africa medal with two clasps: Belfast and Laing’s Nek. Had you not informed me of James Allen’s involvement with the UVF then I would not have known to search for a military record, so I would very much like to thank you!
Could I possibly ask where you got the record for James Allen being in the UVF as I would be particularly interested in finding out more about James and what he would have been doing in the UVF and what sort of activities the UVF would have been involved in then? Also, as a former soldier, would James have helped train men in the UVF? It is quite ironic, but my great-grandfather on my mother’s side of the family tree, Frederick Lawrence, was a Private in the Inniskilling Fusiliers and before he died in 1915 (he has a military headstone in the City Cemetery) he actually helped train members of the Irish Volunteers whilst he was a ferry boat man on the Foyle, which is a curious fact now that James Allen was involved in the UVF. When you mentioned the Ulster Covenant I was extremely interested, and wondered whether James Allen had actually signed the document, so I decided to browse the PRONI website to see if the Covenant had been digitised and much to my delight it was, and I found that James and his wife Margaret had both signed the Covenant and the Declaration papers. I also discovered that several other members of my family on my father’s side of the family tree including David and Tillie Holmes (both of whom also lived in the Fountain) had signed the Covenant. I am actually quite excited about the digitised version of the Ulster Covenant because I have found so many different members of my family who had signed the document, which is wonderful because of the historic connotations of the Covenant within the history of this country. I was just wondering, do you have access to documents relating to the UVF? I am just curious because David Holmes, whom is related to my father’s uncle, had, I believe been a member of the ‘B-Special’s’ in the city and I was just wondering whether or not he may have been in the UVF and also Alexander Jameson whom married Martha Sterling (sister of Edward Sterling).
Again, I cannot thank you enough for your help, it is very much appreciated!
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Derry (Londonderry) / Re: Apprentice Boys?
« on: Friday 01 October 10 17:58 BST (UK) »
Thank you very much Rob for all of the informaiton, it is very much appreciated!
I do not actually know for sure if my ancestors were members of the Apprentice Boys. The names of my ancestors were John (who was born in England) and Edward Sterling and James Allen (both of whom were born in the city) all of whom were Protestants and lived in the Fountain area of the City. I was told that they could possibly have been members of the Apprentice Boys and I was very curious to find out if they were, and particularly whether or not it would have been the culture, especially at that time for most Protestants living in the City to join the Apprentice Boys. All three, had they joined the Apprentice Boys would have done so between the period of 1860 to 1917.
I do not actually know for sure if my ancestors were members of the Apprentice Boys. The names of my ancestors were John (who was born in England) and Edward Sterling and James Allen (both of whom were born in the city) all of whom were Protestants and lived in the Fountain area of the City. I was told that they could possibly have been members of the Apprentice Boys and I was very curious to find out if they were, and particularly whether or not it would have been the culture, especially at that time for most Protestants living in the City to join the Apprentice Boys. All three, had they joined the Apprentice Boys would have done so between the period of 1860 to 1917.
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Derry (Londonderry) / Apprentice Boys?
« on: Friday 24 September 10 17:40 BST (UK) »
Hi.
I was just wondering, does anyone know if the Apprentice Boys Museum in Derry has records of members between the years 1880-1920 and if so, what sort of information is contained within the records in regards to specific members? Has anyone any experience in trying to ascertain whether or not an ancestor may have been involved in the Apprentice Boys or loyal order institutions in Derry?
Thanks.
I was just wondering, does anyone know if the Apprentice Boys Museum in Derry has records of members between the years 1880-1920 and if so, what sort of information is contained within the records in regards to specific members? Has anyone any experience in trying to ascertain whether or not an ancestor may have been involved in the Apprentice Boys or loyal order institutions in Derry?
Thanks.