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Monmouthshire Lookup Requests / Re: Look up Request Thomas Thomas & Elizabeth Day
« on: Wednesday 01 November 23 20:52 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: Cas (stallc) on Wednesday 01 November 23 20:16 GMT (UK)
Do you need Thomas back to 1851 I mentioned?

Located a possible marriage 1896 for David with father Thomas a carpenter but no telling if it is him.

There is this possible death, but there are others

Deaths Dec Q 1900   
Thomas    Thomas David  age 54 Swansea    11a   510

Cas

Hi Cas
The only thing I can say with any certainty is that Thomas Thomas died between 1891 & 1906  so any information you can offer will be fantastic as I am Just starting to get into the real difficulties of genealogy research . I will only add fully confirmed information to my family research and recently ventured into the world of Ancestry DNA so still a newbie and need assistance from people like your self who are more experienced in knowing  what to look out for when putting the pieces together 

Thank You
Ron   

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Monmouthshire Lookup Requests / Re: Look up Request Thomas Thomas & Elizabeth Day
« on: Wednesday 01 November 23 20:08 GMT (UK)  »
Apologies for not responding sooner and thanks for all your efforts, as trying to process all the information given thank you

My thought so far:

Marriage details found showing Elizabeth Day married1892 Swansea, Glamorgan to either Thomas Thomas or Harry Mcmanus Soden   

Louisa Julia Johns & Harry Mcmanus Soden found on same 1901 Census therefore, Elizabeth Day married Thomas Thomas in 1892  Swansea, Glamorgan
 
Thomas Thomas  Sept qtr 1892 Swansea
Volume, 11a Page, 1247

Elizabeth Day appears with same reference

Louisa Julia Johns & Harry Mcmanus Soden named on same page and volume

Elizabeth Thomas formerly Day Born abt 1856 in Abergavenny, Monmouthshire, 

Birth Record for Elizabeth Day found (birth quarter 2) birth year given as 1852 mother’s maiden name “Morgan” page 63 volume 11a (doubt about if this is my Elizabeth Day
 
David Thomas   Born abt 1867   Llandeilo Carmarthenshire

Marriage for David Thomas 1896 naming Thomas Thomas father as a Carpenter page 117 no 233 Monmouthshire

Death detals for Thomas Thomas from 1906 Llandovery, Camarthenshire (quarter 3) Page 11a Volume 573   
 
Elizabeth’s birth year indicates she is not the mother of David and that Thomas David Thomas was married previously, 
 

99.9% sure Thomas Thomas first wife was Anne Jones who died 1874 and also the mother of David Thomas Born abt 1867 need to do a bit more work on the element to remove any doubt as David not listed 

"think this is a good 1871 for Thomas with first wife" 

Carmarthen, Llandeilo Fawr, 
Address: George & Dragon Inn 
Piece   5486, Folio   59, Page number   17 
 
Thomas Thomas 26   Head, Carpenter & Inn Keeper, Llangadock, Carmarthenshire 
Anne Thomas 24   Wife, Conwyl Cays Carmarthenshire (Conwyl Caio?) 
John Thomas   1   Son, Llandeilo 
Jane Thomas 21   Sister, dressmaker, Llangadock 
Margaret Evans 18   Servant 
 

 Any further assistance would be greatfully appreciated

Best Regards Ron


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Monmouthshire Lookup Requests / Re: Look up Request Thomas Thomas & Elizabeth Day
« on: Monday 30 October 23 21:26 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: Cas (stallc) on Monday 30 October 23 20:55 GMT (UK)
Just for info
Thomas Thomas snr was born https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/CMN/Llangadock

1881 Abergavenny
Piece   5234, Folio   14, Page number   21

Thomas Thomas 34   Head house painter, Llangadock Carmarthen
Elizabeth Thomas 23   Wife Monmouth Town
David Thomas   14   Son Llandilo
Thomas Thomas 9   Son Llandilo Carmarthen

I think there is a possibility that Thomas was married previously, although not finding a marriage to Elizabeth Day within timeframe.

What was the name of groom in 1906, any witnesses names?

Cas

Hi Cas thanks for your assistance, regards marriage cert details Elizabeth Ann Thomas married William Merritt Watts with witnesses named as John Davies & Thomas Thomas 

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Monmouthshire Lookup Requests / Look up Request Thomas Thomas & Elizabeth Day
« on: Monday 30 October 23 19:12 GMT (UK)  »
 
Can someone help locate birth/marriage/death confirmation for both 
Thomas David Thomas   Born abt 1847 in Llangattock, Camarthenshire, 
Elizabeth Day   Born abt 1856 in Abergavenny, Monmouthshire,

Thomas David Thomas died between 1891 & 1906 based on documents I have

Any information that will allow me to progress my research would be much appreciated. I have limited knowledge on how best to locate the relevant documents. I have tried Ancestry, Find My Past and BMD search engines without much success so any assistance is very much needed. I have added the following details of my great grandmother Elizabeth Ann Thomas in the hope that this helps 

 
Thanks in advance Ron 

 

Taken from 1891 Census 

Belle Vue Beershop, 30 North Street, Abergavenny, Monmouthshire,

Thomas David Thomas   Born abt 1847 in Llangattock, Camarthenshire, 

Elizabeth Day   Born abt 1856 in Abergavenny, Monmouthshire, 

Parents of:

Thomas Thomas  Born abt 1873 in Llangattock, Camarthenshire, 

Elizabeth Thomas Born 1886 in Abergavenny, Monmouthshire,

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1891 Trade Directory Abergavenny, Monmouthshire,

Thomas David Thomas 30 North Street – Beer Retailer

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Taken from birth cert for Elizabeth Ann Thomas

Born 22/04/1886 

Address: Belle Vue Inn, North Street, Abergavenny, Monmouth

Father: Thomas David Thomas - Joinery man/Carpenter 

Mother: Elizabeth Thomas formerly Day 

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Taken from marriage cert for Elizabeth Ann Thomas

Married 13/061906 

Address for both Bride and Groom: 7 Station Road, Senghenydd, Pontypridd, Glamorgan

Father: Thomas David Thomas (Deceased) Carpenter

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Staffordshire Lookup Requests / Re: Request for help locating parents of Harriet Maria Brammer born in Fenton
« on: Monday 04 April 22 18:02 BST (UK)  »
Thanks again for your help but gonna rule out the Burslem, Staffordshire connection as this seems to relate to another Harriet Brammer born about the same time however, the 1851 Census is worth another look

Kind Regards
Ron


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Staffordshire Lookup Requests / Re: Request for help locating parents of Harriet Maria Brammer born in Fenton
« on: Saturday 02 April 22 18:58 BST (UK)  »
Follow up question regards marital status of Charlotte born abt 1805 and Charlotte born abt 1825

Charlotte born abt 1825 was living with parents Ralph & Charlotte Brammer in 1851

Marriage found for Charlotte Garner & Ralph Brammer 1810 ..  Charlotte's  parents ?  although date not matching declared marital age of Charlotte in 1851 (born 1805) given that D.O.B can be out by a possible 10 years I still need clarification this is correct although details almost makes sense

Charlotte was almost certainly unmarried when Harriet was born 

More food for thought re 1861 census for Spittals Workhouse Staffs

C Brammer - 37 - female - married   -  if this is Harriet's mother why state married name as Brammer when maiden name would have been Brammer  ?

Harriet Maria Brammer would have been living in Middlesbrough by 1871 as by 1872 she was married and first child William James Weepers was born 

So final question do we think D.O.B for Charlotte could be that far out or is the marriage details for 1810 for some other family 

Kind Regards
Ron   
   
 

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Staffordshire Lookup Requests / Re: Request for help locating parents of Harriet Maria Brammer born in Fenton
« on: Saturday 02 April 22 10:46 BST (UK)  »
Can I say a big thank you to you all as it all makes sense some of which I had seen before but disregarded as unsure of a clear connection, in respect of Samuel Brammer named on marriage cert I almost discounted this but was reluctant due to no supporting evidence and watching the Greg Davies episode of WDYTYA when a supposed father named on marriage cert was proved to be a lie . So the consensus of opinion seems to be that Ralph and Charlotte are the parents of Charlotte Brammer who is the mother of Harriet Maria. The name of Ralph Cooper Brammer is also interesting as his middle name could be a clue to possible surname of a maternal grandparent

Very much appreciate all your time and efforts

Kind Regards
Ron

         

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Staffordshire Lookup Requests / Request for help locating parents of Harriet Maria Brammer born in Fenton
« on: Friday 01 April 22 23:17 BST (UK)  »
Harriet Maria Brammer born 1849 in Fenton, Staffordshire

Unable to locate any definitive records for Charlotte or Samuel Brammer. Any help finding possible links to  Harriet would be greatly appreciated   

Birth Cert:
Born 5 April 1849 in Fenton, County of Stafford, Stoke upon Trent. Mother named as Charlotte Brammer, father not named

Marriage Cert:
1 April 1872 Middlesbrough to David Weepers. Harriett Maria Brammer aged 22 farther named as Samuel Brammer - deceased Coachman

1911 census:
Harriet M McKeever widow aged 61 birth place given as Fenton Near Newcastle Under Lyme, Staffordshire   

Kind Regards
Ron     

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World War One / Re: What profession would be eligble for WW1 exemption - needed for home support
« on: Monday 20 October 14 21:10 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: jds1949 on Thursday 16 October 14 08:58 BST (UK)
Some things to bear in mind:

possible places to look:
- find out if your local library has access to the British Newspaper collection [most do] and do a surname search 1914 - 1918
- check to see if the Absent Voters' List 1918 for the relevant area has survived, that should list men serving away from home
- whilst at the library check for any back copies of church magazines, school magazines and workplace records for the war period - all of those may well have published details of service

good hunting

jds1949

thanks more options .. much appreciated

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