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Australia / Re: Amelia Victoria SMITH (nee TIPPETT)
« on: Monday 16 November 15 03:42 GMT (UK) »
OK, thanks for that JM. Scott
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Australia / Re: Amelia Victoria SMITH (nee TIPPETT)
« on: Monday 16 November 15 02:02 GMT (UK) »
Hi Errol (and Carolyn and Graeme),
Nice to hear from you. The trail on Charles Smith has run a bit cold for me lately. Yes, I too have wondered how a young man listed as a 'Plumber' (going by the 1881 census) could turn out to be such a talented musician. Maybe in Brighton it was just his 'day-job'?! I recently returned from a trip to the UK where I went to all the places where my ancestors came from including Charles. I went to Send & Ripley (in Surrey) where Charles's father George Smith came from and to Brighton where Mary Ann Jefferies was born and where the family later lived (where Charles was born and grew up). It was very interesting. (I also went to Swannage in Dorset where the Jefferies' come from.) I went to the Archives center at Woking, but could not get any breakthroughs regarding the family (particularly George's father who I'm sure is Thomas Smith, but could also be James Smith as I have conflicting information).
Errol, I think we can contact each other via the Personal-Messaging system on this site? Bye for now .... Scott (son of Kingsley Smith who is the son of David Smith).
Nice to hear from you. The trail on Charles Smith has run a bit cold for me lately. Yes, I too have wondered how a young man listed as a 'Plumber' (going by the 1881 census) could turn out to be such a talented musician. Maybe in Brighton it was just his 'day-job'?! I recently returned from a trip to the UK where I went to all the places where my ancestors came from including Charles. I went to Send & Ripley (in Surrey) where Charles's father George Smith came from and to Brighton where Mary Ann Jefferies was born and where the family later lived (where Charles was born and grew up). It was very interesting. (I also went to Swannage in Dorset where the Jefferies' come from.) I went to the Archives center at Woking, but could not get any breakthroughs regarding the family (particularly George's father who I'm sure is Thomas Smith, but could also be James Smith as I have conflicting information).
Errol, I think we can contact each other via the Personal-Messaging system on this site? Bye for now .... Scott (son of Kingsley Smith who is the son of David Smith).
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Australia / Re: Amelia Victoria SMITH (nee TIPPETT)
« on: Sunday 31 August 14 05:28 BST (UK) »
Hi Carolyn,
Thanks so much for this info. I have heard bits and pieces of this before from my dad which he says came from writings done by uncle Fred, but he was not sure how accurate some of it was.
I have done some preliminary research and can find no reference to a 'Brighton Conservatory of Music'. It could be that he may have gone to the Royal College of Music in London, which I will eventually follow up with.
As regards to Paderewski, I have found that this gentleman was only in Australia on tour for a short time, playing in Sydney in August 1904 and then left for New Zealand (Charles and Amelia were in WA by then). I can find no reference to this shop in Sydney either (have looked at business and street directories of the time). However there is a music-shop in Sydney of this period in the name of a (Polish) person with a similar type of name. I will eventually follow-up with this also (but don't have the time at the moment).
I'm also going to try to get more information about this mine at Kanowna, if I can. I was in Kalgoorlie not so long ago and visited David Tippett's grave (I have a lot of information about the Tippetts from a family-history book that was published a few years ago, and from my own research).
The cricket bat story I reckon is absolutely genuine, if somewhat tragic! Your listing of the children checks-out: Eva (Ella), Linda & David (my grandfather) being born over East; Charles Ovide, Rose, Frederick, William (Norm) and Leslie being born in WA.
Bye for now ... Scott.
Thanks so much for this info. I have heard bits and pieces of this before from my dad which he says came from writings done by uncle Fred, but he was not sure how accurate some of it was.
I have done some preliminary research and can find no reference to a 'Brighton Conservatory of Music'. It could be that he may have gone to the Royal College of Music in London, which I will eventually follow up with.
As regards to Paderewski, I have found that this gentleman was only in Australia on tour for a short time, playing in Sydney in August 1904 and then left for New Zealand (Charles and Amelia were in WA by then). I can find no reference to this shop in Sydney either (have looked at business and street directories of the time). However there is a music-shop in Sydney of this period in the name of a (Polish) person with a similar type of name. I will eventually follow-up with this also (but don't have the time at the moment).
I'm also going to try to get more information about this mine at Kanowna, if I can. I was in Kalgoorlie not so long ago and visited David Tippett's grave (I have a lot of information about the Tippetts from a family-history book that was published a few years ago, and from my own research).
The cricket bat story I reckon is absolutely genuine, if somewhat tragic! Your listing of the children checks-out: Eva (Ella), Linda & David (my grandfather) being born over East; Charles Ovide, Rose, Frederick, William (Norm) and Leslie being born in WA.
Bye for now ... Scott.
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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Deciphering an occupation on a 1871 Bristol census.
« on: Thursday 31 July 14 01:39 BST (UK) »
Yes, thanks very much Steve; I managed to find something about this Iron Works (I am always amazed at what you can find on the internet!) but you have confirmed it. It's great because it ties-in with an article I found relating to my G-G-grandfather. Thanks again.
Scott.
Scott.
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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Deciphering an occupation on a 1871 Bristol census.
« on: Wednesday 30 July 14 05:30 BST (UK) »
Thank you sami, Ruski, and Kay99 -
Yes I thought it may have been that, but the word "Iron" didn't look like it was written "Iron" ... I guess its just the way they used to write. Thanks again!
Scott.
Yes I thought it may have been that, but the word "Iron" didn't look like it was written "Iron" ... I guess its just the way they used to write. Thanks again!
Scott.
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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Deciphering an occupation on a 1871 Bristol census.
« on: Wednesday 30 July 14 03:36 BST (UK) »
Hi. Would really appreciate if someone could help me decipering an occupation as seen on a 1871 census taken in Bristol (St Philip & Jacob) for a "Samuel Aldin". The occupation is written on both the top line and the bottom line of my attachment, and looks like something-"Works" ??
Many thanks,
Scott.
Many thanks,
Scott.
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Gloucestershire / Re: Joseph Samuel ALDEN of Bristol
« on: Saturday 26 July 14 06:06 BST (UK) »
Hi Trish and Christine!
Dosn't the time fly! I have been 'inactive' for a little while ... I give the family history a rest, but then take it up again with gusto when I have the time. Its so fascinating.
Sorry I didn't see your post earlier Christine - yes you are right we were in contact through another channel a few years ago. And, yes, you are right regarding William Alden's first wife, it was Eleanor Stone, as I have found. I have been taking a great interest in the Aldens lately, and it can be quite confusing as the different family-lines have the same names, eg. there are several different William Aldens. I have found it fascinating finding out more information about Susannah Alden - our x3 Great-Grandmother, mostly through newspaper articles (e.g. the court-case where it mentions her dispute with her stepson, William, over the late father/husband's will) and census information. There is much I want to share with you and ask you, so I will 'PM' you, but bare with me; its finding the time!!
I came back onto 'Rootschat' because there is a piece of handwriting that I want to decipher. I have to figure-out first how to attach an image of this (?), but maybe you may know Christine, it is regarding Samuel Alden's occupation as stated on the 1871 census (when he is a lodger - and marries Emmaline later that year) ... it says he is a "Laborer" but, it looks like, is it "Iron Works"??
Hope all is well. And thanks again Trish for your previous help
Scott.
Dosn't the time fly! I have been 'inactive' for a little while ... I give the family history a rest, but then take it up again with gusto when I have the time. Its so fascinating.
Sorry I didn't see your post earlier Christine - yes you are right we were in contact through another channel a few years ago. And, yes, you are right regarding William Alden's first wife, it was Eleanor Stone, as I have found. I have been taking a great interest in the Aldens lately, and it can be quite confusing as the different family-lines have the same names, eg. there are several different William Aldens. I have found it fascinating finding out more information about Susannah Alden - our x3 Great-Grandmother, mostly through newspaper articles (e.g. the court-case where it mentions her dispute with her stepson, William, over the late father/husband's will) and census information. There is much I want to share with you and ask you, so I will 'PM' you, but bare with me; its finding the time!!
I came back onto 'Rootschat' because there is a piece of handwriting that I want to decipher. I have to figure-out first how to attach an image of this (?), but maybe you may know Christine, it is regarding Samuel Alden's occupation as stated on the 1871 census (when he is a lodger - and marries Emmaline later that year) ... it says he is a "Laborer" but, it looks like, is it "Iron Works"??
Hope all is well. And thanks again Trish for your previous help
Scott.
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Australia / Re: Amelia Victoria SMITH (nee TIPPETT)
« on: Monday 21 November 11 08:01 GMT (UK) »
I am SO sorry for my late reply! I have not accessed this site for some time as I have had to put my family-history research on hold for a number of months.
To 'Boy Scout': Thank you VERY much for this article. It is the break-through I have been looking for. I searched 'TROVE' myself but was unable to find anything. This is greatly appreciated; I'm amazed you found it. I can't thank you enough for this!!
Graeme/Carolyn: more relations; nice to meet you!
I'm desperate to find any information about Charles Smith as to when he left Brighton (and why) and how he got to Australia. Have searched passenger lists, but to no avail. Speculating with my dad (Kingsley Smith, son of David, son of Charles & Amelia) we thought he may have come-out touring with the Saddlers Wells Theatre company, but that has always seemed unlikely to me (he is listed as a 'plumber' in the 1881 cencus in Brighton). But now it is confirmed that he WAS a talented musician, at least.
Carolyn: I spoke to my dad (whose 82 now) and he says that - After Charles died Amelia had the boarding house in Beverley, but it burnt-down (hence the bankruptcy?). However, I cannot find anything to verify this. She did have a boarding house in Dangin, though, but this seems to have failed, and she teamed up with a chap called Parker (who established the town) and managed the Temperance Hotel in Dangin [because of this, a regular 'drinking' hotel was built in nearby Quairading]. Amelia's daughter, Rose, married Cecil parker (Jonah Parkers's son) and was helping her mother with these ventures. Amelia and her sons (David - my grandfather - Charles, Norman, Leslie, and Fred I think) then went to manage a large farm at Narembeen owned by Baird's (a large Perth concern) which is how they ended up in Narembeen.
So, thank you all for your input; my research continues... Scott.
To 'Boy Scout': Thank you VERY much for this article. It is the break-through I have been looking for. I searched 'TROVE' myself but was unable to find anything. This is greatly appreciated; I'm amazed you found it. I can't thank you enough for this!!
Graeme/Carolyn: more relations; nice to meet you!
I'm desperate to find any information about Charles Smith as to when he left Brighton (and why) and how he got to Australia. Have searched passenger lists, but to no avail. Speculating with my dad (Kingsley Smith, son of David, son of Charles & Amelia) we thought he may have come-out touring with the Saddlers Wells Theatre company, but that has always seemed unlikely to me (he is listed as a 'plumber' in the 1881 cencus in Brighton). But now it is confirmed that he WAS a talented musician, at least.
Carolyn: I spoke to my dad (whose 82 now) and he says that - After Charles died Amelia had the boarding house in Beverley, but it burnt-down (hence the bankruptcy?). However, I cannot find anything to verify this. She did have a boarding house in Dangin, though, but this seems to have failed, and she teamed up with a chap called Parker (who established the town) and managed the Temperance Hotel in Dangin [because of this, a regular 'drinking' hotel was built in nearby Quairading]. Amelia's daughter, Rose, married Cecil parker (Jonah Parkers's son) and was helping her mother with these ventures. Amelia and her sons (David - my grandfather - Charles, Norman, Leslie, and Fred I think) then went to manage a large farm at Narembeen owned by Baird's (a large Perth concern) which is how they ended up in Narembeen.
So, thank you all for your input; my research continues... Scott.
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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Decipher a word, please.
« on: Friday 17 December 10 07:53 GMT (UK) »
Thanks Janinez and PrueM ...
...now I know what my (x3) Grandmother was doing (Sussanah Alden of Bristol) - interesting; throughout the cencuses she is doing different things; anything to make ends meet in those days, I guess.
Scott
...now I know what my (x3) Grandmother was doing (Sussanah Alden of Bristol) - interesting; throughout the cencuses she is doing different things; anything to make ends meet in those days, I guess.
Scott