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Tyrone / Catherine WEIR nee McGRATH - Aughamullan
« on: Monday 20 September 21 16:38 BST (UK)  »
I am searching for anyone who recognises this  person in their research.  Catherine was born c1860 to Daniel & Sara, her baptism record not found.  Her siblings were John, Anne, Mary, all baptised in Clonoe RC church & Charles, his baptism record also not found, although the Parish Priest explained that there was no baptism for a Charles, but there was one for a Daniel (birth years match) one of the witnesses for that baptism was a Charles O'Neill, so Daniel could have been baptised one name & been called Charles  by the family .. not unheard of! 

I believe that  the family were in Scotland (in 1871 census) when Catherine was 11yrs old.  At some point the family, or some of, returned to Aughamullan, Clonoe, where on 6 July 1881 Catherine married Patrick WEIR a ships carpenter from Scotland and I believe returned to Scotland where she is again found in 1891 census and her sister Anne (still unmarried) living with the family.  Catherine & her young family, ultimately emmigrate to Australia.

I have been researching the McGrath family for a great many years, in particular Charles in an effort to connect him to the Daniel McGrath & Sara/h O'Neill from Aughamullan.  Until I recently found an entry in the Scotland 1871 census, I was not aware that Catherine existed, unfortunately, the Scotland census only record "where born" as Ireland.  When Charles married in Belfast aged 24yrs his occupation is recorded as Rivetter and this always had me wondering how a farmers son could have obtained an apprenticeship in Aughamullen (I know people moved around for work).  The 1871 Scotland census, I think explains the possibility that Charles could have done his apprentiship in Scotland and likeky this is how Catherine met Patrick.  The paper trail for Catherine has lead me to believe that this is the family I have been searching for.

Should anyone have any knowedge of this family, I would certainly love to hear from you.

Many thanks for taking the time to read this.


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The Common Room / Re: Merchant Seaman’s record
« on: Monday 29 June 20 13:58 BST (UK)  »
The Peter BYRNE on the Leinster isn't my man.  His parents are recorded on his records and sadly are not a match.  I think I'm back to being stuck at that brick wall.  Thanks everyone who has tried to help find him.

VB

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The Common Room / Re: Merchant Seaman’s record
« on: Tuesday 09 June 20 20:01 BST (UK)  »
A long shot but it needs checking out.
I found a Peter Byrne onboard one of the City of Dublin Steam Packet vessel's in 1915. The YoB would be correct but the place of birth is given as County Dublin.
In the time scale CDSP ships comprised four vessels ULSTER, MUNSTER, LEINSTER and CONNAUGHT
 Three were engaged in Dublin - Holyhead ferry trade.
LEINSTER official number 104974 was torpedoed by the German submarine UB-123 on 10/October/1918. It may be worth checking her crew agreements covering that date.
https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C2480749
Hugh, as an aside, his conduct was recorded as D D not DR DR any idea what that means? Dismissed or what.

Hi Seawea, which CDSP ship did you find Peter Byrne in 1915?

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The Common Room / Re: Merchant Seaman’s record
« on: Monday 08 June 20 18:36 BST (UK)  »
Most comprehensive list I can find online, two BURNS both military casualites  and one BYRNE M military survivor.     https://rmsleinster.com/people/_people.htm

Can't see a Peter Byrne
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The Common Room / Re: Merchant Seaman’s record
« on: Sunday 07 June 20 21:51 BST (UK)  »
I have only checked the name you posted but will check the other variations.
SW - I think we are searching in the right places. I had already checked the 1915 crew listings too and drew a blank. We will see where the other variations get us. Could I ask though is Peter Burns the correct full family name?
Regards
Hugh

Sorry Hugh, missed the question about the family name.  It is a valid question.  Yes as far as I can say however, the birth/baptism records for him & his siblings give his fathers name as Peter/Patrick BURNS & BYRNES which as you can imagine isn't a great help.  The first opportunity to find any record of Peter after his birth in 1878 is the 1901 census & again, I cannot see anything that points to him.  His baptism/Birth records do give his ID as Peter BURNS

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The Common Room / Re: Merchant Seaman’s record
« on: Sunday 07 June 20 21:47 BST (UK)  »
You guys are awesome, thank you.  I have just double checked the Ireland BMD's as things do get updated from time to time and still can't find anything.  He doesn't stand out anywhere on the 1901 or 1911 census either but I'm now just thinking about your previous question.  He could possibly have been working the boats between Belfast, Dublin & Scotland, many did for the work.  It may also be relevant to say that his father also Peter or Patrick Burns/Byrnes, was a soldier born about 1839, so he could have followed in his footsteps.... I know, not your field, but it may add to the theory that he did do something for the war effort

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The Common Room / Re: Merchant Seaman’s record
« on: Sunday 07 June 20 21:29 BST (UK)  »
Thank you for that search.  Now I feel really stupid as I should have said there's Burns, Burn, Byrnes, Byrne, Byrn  and any other variations to think of,!!

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The Common Room / Re: Merchant Seaman’s record
« on: Sunday 07 June 20 20:54 BST (UK)  »
I have looked at the Overseas Deaths as well as US passenger manifests and other Merchant and Royal Navy records without success.

Regards
Hugh

Hugh, were you referring to my Peter Burns?  If so, thank you for your interest.  I find it very odd that the family were aware that he was "torpedoed" yet there is nothing to verify his disappearance, even if he were a passenger on a ship that was sank.

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The Common Room / Re: Merchant Seaman’s record
« on: Sunday 07 June 20 20:49 BST (UK)  »
VB,
I take it that you have searched "British Oversea's Deaths" I searched the British Newspaper Archive . Again nothing. Could he have moved from Belfast? Have you looked at passengers or ships crew entering the United States in 1918?

I'm nearly certain that I've checked the overseas deaths, I hadn't checked the newspaper archives, so thank you, I have also searched passengers arriving in USA in 1918, nothing, any double checking is appreciated, I may have missed something.  I don't believe he left Belfast as the story is that he left home "that" morning and didn't return ... whenever that was supposed to be??  It's very odd that there is no mention of him anywhere and particularly no death registration that I have found.

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