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Cardiganshire / Re: Argoed Fawr, near Talybont, Aberystwyth
« on: Friday 11 February 11 23:26 GMT (UK)  »
Since you posted this, you have posted information about Isaac Davies and a possible Pryse connection and that is fascinating, but to reply to these questions:

1. John Williams (b. 1817) was born in Llanfihangel Genau’r Glynne,according to the Census. He married Elizabeth (Eliza) Jones in the parish church of Llanfihangel Genau’r Glynne in 1843 (I have their marriage certificate - Elizabeth was my husband's Great-great aunt)
2. He lived in Cynnil Mawr (Cynnullmawr) a township in Llanfihangel Genau’r Glynne (in which Argoed Fawr was situated) in 1851-1881. He was an agricultural labourer, living in Penypontpren, in 1851 and in 1861-81 he lived at Hendy, either as a lead miner or agricultural lab. He had 5 children, Elizabeth (b. 1845), Catherine (b. 1848), John (1854), William (b. 1859) and David (b. 1865). I think that John (b. 1854) was the John Williams living at Argoed Fawr in 1901 but I have no proof.
3. I think John Williams married Elizabeth Jane nee Evans in Aberystwyth in Jan-Feb-Mar 1875 (BMD Index 1875, Vol. 11b Page 102).  I do not have a copy of this marriage certificate, but intend to order it.

I hope that may help.  ???

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Cardiganshire / Re: Argoed Fawr, near Talybont, Aberystwyth
« on: Friday 11 February 11 21:14 GMT (UK)  »
Fantastic! This may be the clue I have been seeking.  I cannot do more work on this for a day or two - other commitments - but I will be busy next week and will get back to you.  :D

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Cardiganshire / Re: Argoed Fawr, near Talybont, Aberystwyth
« on: Thursday 10 February 11 23:11 GMT (UK)  »
Dear malval

I have just contacted your two "relatives" I found through ancestry.co.uk and hope to let you have their e-mails shortly. Meanwhile, I will continue my own research on John Williams to see if your husband and mine share ancestors. Abersleuth.  :)

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Cardiganshire / Re: Argoed Fawr, near Talybont, Aberystwyth
« on: Thursday 10 February 11 11:56 GMT (UK)  »
Dear malval
Thanks for your reply. Do you have any information about John Williams of Argoed Fawr (your husband's great grandfather?).  I want to establish whether he was the son of John Williams (b. 1817) and Eliza (nee Jones), in which case he was a distant cousin of my late husband,  or whether he was a different John Williams (it was a common name!).  I have made contact through ancestry.co.uk with two people who are descended from John Williams of Argoed Fawr, so your husband must be related to them. Do you want their contact details?  Abersleuth

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Cardiganshire / Argoed Fawr, near Talybont, Aberystwyth
« on: Wednesday 05 January 11 00:51 GMT (UK)  »
I am interested in a farm called "Argoed Fawr" near Talybont, Aberystwyth.  Today the postal address is Llandre; in the 19th Century it was in Cynnullmawr, Llanfihangel Genau'r Glyn.   My husband's Great-Great Grandfather, John Jones (1785-1863), lived there from 1822, when his eldest daughter, Elizabeth,  was baptised in Llanfihangerl Genau'r Glyn, and was recorded as living at Argoed Fawr, and he and his family lived in Argoed Fawr in the 1841, 51 and 61 Census and he died there in 1863; his son, John Jones (1828-1872) lived there in 1841-1871 and died there, unmarried in 1872.  I have seen his will, which makes no mention of Argoed Fawr. In the 1881 and 1891 Census, the occupant of Argoed Fawr was a farmer called Isaac Davies, about whom I know nothing, but in 1901,  the Census showed the occupant to be John Williams and his family. I know that John Williams (1854-1914)  (also known as John Morgan Williams) was the son of John Williams (b. 1817) and his wife Elizabeth (Eliza) (b. 1822)  who was the daughter of John Jones of Argoed Fawr. John and Eliza lived from their marriage in 1843 (in the parish church of Llanfihangel Geanau'r Glyn) in Cynnullmawr.  John was described as a lead miner/ag. lab. Their son, John (or John Morgan) Williams and his wife, Elizabeth Jane nee Evans were recorded as living in "Cwmslaidfach", Llancynfelin, in the 1881 and 1891 Census, when John was a lead miner, but in 1901 they were living in Argoed Fawr, with six children and a grandson, and  John is described as a farmer. They were also living in Argoed Fawr in the 1911 Census, with two children and Grandson.    I am intrigued to know more about the ownership/tenancy of Argoed Fawr.  In 1872 John Jones died there, leaving no children (he never married). In the 1881 and 1891 Census the occupant of Argoed Fawr was Isaac Davies, and   John Williams was a lead miner living in "Cwmslaidfach".  How then did John Williams come to be living in Argoed Fawr in 1901, how did he progress from being a lead miner in 1881 and 1891 to being a substantial farmer in 1901 and 1911?  And is it relevant that Argoed Fawr had  previously  been occupied by his Grandfather, John Jones,  and uncle, John Jones? If anyone knows anything about the history of this farm, or the Jones family who lived there from 1822 to 1872 or Williams family, who lived there in 1901 and 1911 I would be very grateful to have more information.
Thanks.  :) Abersleuth

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Cardiganshire / Re: Daniel Thomas draper and one time mayor of Aberystwyth
« on: Friday 22 October 10 22:37 BST (UK)  »
I am still hoping for a reply from scrabbler DMT so we can exchange more information, but for everyone interested in Daniel Thomas, here is a photograph of Daniel Thomas and his wife Elizabeth Ellen (nee Phillips) as Mayor and Mayoress of Aberystwythm 1911-12.

Abersleuth

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Glamorganshire / Re: Jerusalem Chapel, Ton Pentre
« on: Friday 22 October 10 13:50 BST (UK)  »
Thanks, Cardiff, a good idea!  I'll try Treorchy Library.

Abersleuth

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Glamorganshire / Re: Jerusalem Chapel, Ton Pentre
« on: Thursday 21 October 10 22:13 BST (UK)  »
Hi, Cardiff, thanks for your reply.

I know a lot about John David Jones - the Calvinistic Methodist minister. I have found him in all the Censuses from 1871-1901 and have two quite detailed obituaries, which give details of his time at Trevecca and his ministries. I also know a lot about his father, David Jones - I have his marriage certificate and his details in all the 1841 - 1881 Censuses. What I do not know is exactly when David Jones died - although it was probably in 1886 (aged about 51). I have quite a collection of death certificates for David or John Jones (for various reasons he might have used the name John when he lived in Ton) whose deaths were registered in Pontyprydd. But several can be ruled out and three are possible. I would love to know where David Jones and J D Jones lived and worked from 1884-1886 but don't really see how I can discover that. I visited Treorchy Library this summer, and Anthony Pritchard was very helpful - he located the history of Jerusalem Chapel for me. I also looked at the records for Jerusalem Chapel in NLW in Aberystwyth. But none of these can answer my remaining questions, when did David Jones die and where were J D Jones and his father, David Jones working as miners between 1884 and 1886?

I know that J D Jones began to preach in Jerusalem Chapel in 1889, and studied at the Academy in Pontyprydd before he went to Trevecca.  Any suggestions about how to answer my remaining questions would be appreciated.  ???

Abersleuth

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Cardiganshire / Re: Daniel Thomas draper and one time mayor of Aberystwyth
« on: Thursday 21 October 10 21:36 BST (UK)  »
Dear scrabbler DMT

You have made two posts, so if you do one more, by replying to this, you will be able to send me a PM and we can arrange how to communicate. I go to London often so perhaps we could meet. I would love to share with you what I know about Elizabeth Ellen and the Williams and Phillips families and learn from you about Elizabeth's descendants by her  second husband.

If you reply to this you will have reached the magic 3!  ;)

Abersleuth

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