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Thank you SS , Yes this is the thing  it's a bit early for marriage certificates, and as you say the wedding certificate for Mary to William Mullinger  says Timothy then deceased. But what I am saying is  did Thomas Lewis senior actually mary Mary Ann Horan or was she married previously for a short time  to a Horan and a different family to the sailors (this could have been a different Horan family and a differnt Mary Lewis who married William) or was it actually Mary Ann Horn who married Thomas. How many people on here are on Ancestry and have a DNA match with anyone tracing the Horan Sailing family ? Out of all those children Hannah and Timothy had I have a DNA match with one person then we both have a match with another person from a different  Horan family. Very strange ,unless one of us was bought in Tesco lol

Hello, Yes I have had all this information for a few years , However there are a lot of mistakes on the Horan Bible,and there were a few Mary Ann Horan's in Portsea at the same time. There is also documents of Timothy Horan being a tailor and not a sailor. and no DNA matches with Mary Anns siblings apart from one and she doesnt have a DNA match with anyone else apart from myself. Gedmatch are also showing the same matches as Ancestry.

Just about to but the phone rung  sorry

Good Evening everyone,
I wonder if anyone has access to marriage records for a Thomas Lewis and Sarah Ann Dawson  in 1868 in Hampshire, possibly Milton. But that area of Hampshire may not be correct.
I am looking for the parents names of Thomas Lewis and the occupation. Also names of any witnesses. TIA

Thank you all, No luck with the occupation apart from the younger of the Timothy's being a tailor and not a sailor. I am now wondering if the first Timothy Horan was actually the one baptised in London in 1841 and he may have married twice Catherine Cahill then Rose Maher. I cannot find a death for Catherine anywhere in England or Ireland. I have read on an Ancestry tree that the name Cahill may have been anglinised to Charles, not sure about that,Catherine Bastable (Cahill) Charles has also been mentioned as a possibility. I am just totaly confused by this family. But I am pretty sure there is a connection with Castleisland somewhere.