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Inverness / Re: McBean/Fraser/McGlashan/MacIntosh Daviot and Dunlichty
« on: Friday 02 February 24 07:29 GMT (UK)  »
I am a decedent of the McBean line from Daviot/Dunlichty.  I am going to Scotland for the summer and would like to see if I can find some cousins over there...there must be someone who stayed ;)  I would also like to be able to trace the line back another generation or two to Culloden.   It sounds like this board might be able to help me start the path to find someone (Im not very good at this).   Here is my info (or some of it anyways)"

I’m after a Donald McBean/Bain who was likely a relation to my 4g grandfather, John Fraser b bet 1792-1796

John FRASER m1 1818 Inverness, Janet McIntosh b abt 1798 INV, d 1839 Liverpool LAN.
John and Janet had 8-9 children:

William - 11 Jun 1819 John Fraser Tailor and his spouse Janet Mcintosh had a child baptized by Mr Donald Martin named William Witnesses: Adam HOGG and Donald MCBAIN.

Elizabeth - 19 Sep 1821 John Fraser Tailor and his spouse Janet McIntosh had a child baptized by the Rev Mr Thomas Fraser named Elizabeth. Witnesses: Donald MCBAIN and Adam HOGG

John - 7 Jan 1824 John Fraser (tailor Green of Minton [Merton/Muirtown/Moortown]) and his spouse Janet McIntosh had a child baptized by Rev Thomas Fraser named John. Witnesses: James FRASER and Donald MCBEAN

Simon - 27 Jul 1826 John Fraser, Taylor Telford Street, and his spouse Janet McIntosh had a child baptized by the Rev Mr Alexander Clark named Simon. Witnesses: John MCKINZIE & John FRASER

John Simon - 3 Mar 1828 John Fraser Tailor 12 Telford Street and his spouse Janet McIntosh had a child baptized by the Rev Alex Clark named John Simon Witnesses: John FRASER and James FRASER

Thomas - 27 Oct 1830 John Fraser Tailor Telford Street and his spouse Janet McIntosh had a child baptized by the Rev A Clark named Thomas Witnesses: James and Alexander FRASER

Janet - 17 Apr 1833 Janet Fraser, John Fraser and Janet McIntosh, Tailor, Telford St, The Rev Thos Fraser. Witnesses: James FRASER and Alex FRASER.

James - 1 Jul 1836 James Fraser, John Fraser and Janet McIntosh, Tailor, Telford St, 1 Jul 1836, registered 21 July 1836 Rev Alex Clark. Witnesses: John MCINTOSH and Mr FRASER

John Simon? (another? not sure - death age could be 13 or 3 yrs in 1842. If it’s 13, then it’s the John Simon b 1828; if it’s 3, then there was another John Simon b abt 1839). John and Janet Fraser relocated to Liverpool from Inverness abt 1838.

In two of his children’s marriages (and only there) John Fraser is assigned the middle name of “Simon”

John m2 in 1841 Liverpool, to Hannah McLansburgh/Landsborough. In that marriage he names his father as “William Fraser, farmer” presumably still in INV and possibly alive at the time.

In the 1841 Liverpool census, John Fraser is with Hannah and four of his children from Janet. John lists his age as 45 (b 1792-1796 as per 1841 rounding).
John and Hannah had three children:

Margaret Grace
Jessie
Samuel Landsborough b 1845 d 1900

John (Simon) Fraser b abt 1796 died in 1847. The profession and address are correct but the informant was another, unknown, John Fraser who declares John to be 59 yrs of age when he was in fact 51.

Samuel Landsborough Fraser is my ancestor. His grand-daughter, my paternal grandmother, was a Fraser.

I share a McBean DNA match from this “McGlashan” line with my paternal uncle as well as Frasers from both sides of Loch Ness (Caiplich & Abriachan appear to be ground zero for a number of matches others are along the other side of the loch, from Drummond to Inverness).

I’d really like to know who this Donald McBean/Bain was. I have to wonder if he is an ancestor of mine and/or perhaps died or moved away after/about 1824.

Adam Hogg was another tailor in Inverness and appears to have married a Jane Slorach.

And, whether proven or not, how did McGlashan morph into Fraser?

Pat





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Banffshire / Re: William ( younger ) Innes
« on: Thursday 10 August 23 21:25 BST (UK)  »
Although I hesitate to question one as illustrious as Sir Thomas Innes of Learney, it does look as if there is some reason to doubt at least some of it?
Do question. Sir Thomas Innes interviewed a relation in 1949 and pretty much went sideways with my own branch.
The line itself is theoretically of a "bastard" grandson of the second marriage of John 5th of Edingight but there are numerous "probably", "likely" and other vague mentions. DNA still holds the Edingight connection a possibility but it needs refining (more testers).

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Inverness / Re: John McKenzie - how far back?
« on: Thursday 24 November 22 06:11 GMT (UK)  »
Ooh! Thank you so very, very, much. My hunch appears to be correct. I'm sure it was a BMD record which led me to this and I went down the rabbit hole without saving the record. I've asked all over the place and no one knew what I was talking about.
I've also just realized that my John Fraser's father, William, may have still been alive in 1841.
That's my next few days sorted, then.

Not sure I'm writing in the correct space (I haven't used this site before), but I ran into Madchia's quote while searching for Green of Muirton.  My great, great grandfather was a William Fraser.  His son John was my great grandfather.  I am currently searching for William's father John.  And I'm wondering whether we are referring to the same William Fraser.

Hi, my John Fraser, tailor, middle name of Simon according to the marriages of a couple of his children, was b abt 1796 Inverness per 1841 Liverpool census. First wife, m 1818 INV, was Janet Macintosh - 9 children. His 2nd wife was listed as a widow in 1851. The only John Fraser, tailor, who died bet 1841-1851 died in 1847 Liverpool and was supposedly born abt 1788. The informant was another John Fraser, not John's wife who was still alive (?).
At the time of John Fraser's second marriage, he lists his father as William, farmer.
John S Fraser tried 3-4 times to name a child after himself but they all died young.
I appear to have quite a few DNA matches which lead back to Kiltarlity, Caiplach and Abriachan.
John S Fraser and Janet McIntosh's first-born, William, b 1819 - nothing further known.

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Inverness / Re: John McKenzie - how far back?
« on: Monday 05 October 20 04:39 BST (UK)  »
Ooh! Thank you so very, very, much. My hunch appears to be correct. I'm sure it was a BMD record which led me to this and I went down the rabbit hole without saving the record. I've asked all over the place and no one knew what I was talking about.
I've also just realized that my John Fraser's father, William, may have still been alive in 1841.
That's my next few days sorted, then.

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Inverness / Re: John McKenzie - how far back?
« on: Sunday 04 October 20 22:20 BST (UK)  »
I, too, am trying to sort "Bewest the water" and "Over the water". I think it may be the west side of the Merkinch or Muirtown basin but I only came to that recently and of course I've lost the link to whatever made me think this :( (sad really as I've been looking for a couple of years at least).
My John Fraser was described as being of "Green of Muirton" in 1824. My issue is, is this "Green of Muirton" what is now Muirtown St off Telford St, or, is it the lands near Muirtown house and the Muirtown basin. If it's the basin, then I would need to pay more attention to those "Bewest", "Beyond" and "Over the water" records in my search.

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Armed Forces / Re: William Fraser, Late of 73rd regiment of Foot
« on: Sunday 14 June 20 17:19 BST (UK)  »
I have an Alexander Fraser m Janet McKenzie, and Paul McGruer m Catherine Fraser.
Children of these couples, Alexander Fraser and Catherine McGruer, married.
These folks are from my DNA match tree. I now believe you belong in there too.
Sadly, I have a number of families in the file who are DNA matches and I haven't been able to connect to them yet.
Cheers!

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Armed Forces / Re: William Fraser, Late of 73rd regiment of Foot
« on: Sunday 14 June 20 08:25 BST (UK)  »
Hello, I've had my eye on the William Fraser b abt 1767, primarily based on his age, location and occupation as a labourer. I have nothing to indicate my William served.
My William Fraser, labourer, d before 1841 presumably Inverness, when his son, John (Simon) Fraser b abt 1796 INV, m2 Liverpool LAN, Hannah Landsborough.
John Fraser m1 1818 INV, Janet McIntosh and they had nine children between 1819-1839 when Janet died in Liverpool.
I'm wondering if anything ever came of your search - were you able to lay claim to this William b abt 1767? Although, I'd have to question his ability to be producing offspring while in service (he's probably not my fellow).
I appear to be a remote DNA match to a number of Frasers or descendants from Kiltarlity and Abriachan, including McGruer, McLennan, McBean/Bain - in case you've tested.
Pat

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Banffshire / Re: Baptisms in the coastal villages.
« on: Thursday 12 December 19 02:33 GMT (UK)  »
Cool.  8) The witnesses I mentioned were the Mair witnesses - yours, all in a lump. Mr Spence appears quite often if I remember correctly as do various Walkers.
Now that you mention it though, witnesses to my Innes/Mair births:
William - none
Alexander - Alex Sim and Alex Watt
Isabel - Isabel Harper Isabel Innes.

I have my results along with my paternal uncle up at Gedmatch. The cousin does too.
I hope this works out - crossing my fingers now.

Pat

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