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Mayo / Patrick Cain or Kane of Newport, Mayo - is Kilmore in Burrishoole?
« on: Wednesday 08 August 18 22:39 BST (UK)  »
Dear all,
This is (I think) my first post to the Mayo Board.
I am in a youth hostel in Mayo with very poor phone signal but am hoping to have a little drive around the “lands of my fathers” before I leave Mayo in 4 days time. I’m trying to use my iPhone but the Griffith valuation maps won’t work.
So:
I have an ancestor called Patrick Kane or Cain or Caine, who was born in about 1810-1816.  He once gave his place of birth on the UK Census as Newport Mayo.  His marriage certificate gave his father’s name as James.
In 1851 he was a 40 year old widower when he married a 19 year old widow Winifred Lavell, formerly Macnamara from Longford, Mayo.  They eventually ended up in Sunderland, but only after their daughter Mary was born, also in 1851.  The witness was Honor Cain, whom I have never been able to find again.
The tithe applotments and Griffith Valuation have a Pat cain living in 1832 in Kilmore Cain in Burrishoole Parish.  Kilmore seems to be divided up by surname (there is also kilmore Coyne, where the Coynes are and Kilmore Kelly, Kilmore Nolan, etc).  They are clearly in Burrishoole parish on the Griffith and Tithe records.
Is his Kilmore different from the Kilmore in Mayo, which doesn’t seem to be in Burrishool parish? It seems to me it is Burrishool parish I should be looking for, since he specified Newport and there is a Pat Cain there (and a James on Griffith).  Does anyone know where Kilmore in Burrishoole is, so I could go and have a look at it?  Might there be an Irish name?

Also, can anyone find any info on his first marriage (or any others) - I can’t find anything in Liverpool, but he is 40 and a widower, so i assume he might have married in Burrishoole. I have searched on and off for some time but can’t find anything.

I’d be so grateful for your help.
If I end up going to Burrishool I’d be pleased to take photos. 

Best wishes,
Clarrie

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Lancashire / Re: Drowned seaman, known as “the Chinaman” Lum Soey Chum
« on: Wednesday 27 June 18 00:17 BST (UK)  »
This is a shot in the dark.

My ancestors are buried in a graveyard in Ardamine, Courtown, Co Wexford, Ireland.  I have visited this place all my life (I’m 46), although I am not from there - I’m English. At the edge of the graveyard is a grave which, I was told, was that of a man, always known as “the Chinaman”, whose body was washed up on the beach during the second world war. 
After having heard the Archive Hour programme several years ago I have often wondered whether he was from Liverpool.  His grave used to be marked with a metal cross, but nowadays there is a gravestone which says:

From a war ravaged sea, washed up on the strand, Lum Soey Chum, seaman, Laid to rest 8th May 1941, RIP.

Even as a tiny child it was clear to me that his grave was always well tended by the locals, who presumably erected the tombstone later.  It is a fishing village and everyone has known a friend or relative who has drowned.  My family always visited him when we went to see the family graves.  He comes into my mind quite often.  He is in a lovely place, with a view of the sea, overlooking the beach where St Aidan is supposed to have landed.  People clearly care for him.

I wanted to put his name out there in case descendants ever search for him.  It seems likely he was working on a British warship or merchant navy ship that sank, since they were able to identify him, I’m guessing he wore a dog tag.

 I’m not sure which is sadder - being so far away from home if you’re from the Far East or being from Liverpool just across the water, without your family ever finding out where you are.

I’m also not sure his name is even Chinese.  I wondered if it might be Korean.  Perhaps someone can advise?

Anyway, there is a picture of his grave on the North Wexford Historical society website, along with all the other graves in the Ardamine graveyard.

If there is a better place for this post than the Lancashire/Liverpool Board, please send it to the right place.

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Durham / Re: Steels Engineering, Pallion
« on: Wednesday 11 April 18 20:47 BST (UK)  »
Bit late to the party, but it might be worth asking Sunderland antiquarians?  Or searching the Echo archives?

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Ireland / Re: What information does a research copy cert give?
« on: Monday 01 August 16 22:42 BST (UK)  »
Thanks very much - very helpful indeed.

Best wishes,

Clarrie

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Ireland / Re: What information does a research copy cert give?
« on: Monday 01 August 16 10:24 BST (UK)  »
Thank you!

Clarrie

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Ireland / Re: What information does a research copy cert give?
« on: Sunday 31 July 16 22:28 BST (UK)  »
Many thanks, for an extremely prompt response.

What a great idea. :)

Clarrie

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Ireland / What information does a research copy cert give?
« on: Sunday 31 July 16 22:19 BST (UK)  »
Dear all,

I need a boat load of Irish certificates, all of them old and unavailable online, although I have dates of marriages, deaths, etc.  I've read you can get research certificates that are photocopies and much cheaper.

Are they a copy of the original certificate information, including witnesses, informants, etc, or do they give less information than a full copy of the certificate? 

Is it best to get them in person in Dublin?  I'm hoping to visit sometime this year.  Has anyone tried this?  How many days do you have to wait? I don't need to search for the information, just to fill in the forms and (hopefully) collect copies.

Many thanks and apologies if this information is on a thread elsewhere,

Clarrie

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Durham / Re: RIP Sunderland Registrars Indexes
« on: Monday 25 April 16 11:25 BST (UK)  »
I'd second that! It's a great service that Sunderland offers and I always try and get my certificates from them because they are so helpful.

I don't pay Council Tax to Sunderland and am also very aware that Councils are very stretched and family history cannot compete for resources with vulnerable children and adults.  But I am very glad that the service is coming back and have a couple of purchases lined up!

Best wishes to all,

Clarrie

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Donegal / Re: Is there somewhere called Northall in Donegal?
« on: Friday 15 April 16 00:04 BST (UK)  »
It might be!! many thanks Hallmark and Heywood for two extremely prompt responses.

They are living in Stamps Lanes Sunderland, England.

Or it might be stumps.  It's terrible writing.  I think it's Stamps, anyway.

I'm sorry, I should have posted a picture but I can't upload it from my tablet.  I'll try and do it from the computer tomorrow so you can have a better look.

Many thanks again,

Clarrie

But it could be Porthall. 


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