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The A is not written beside all entries, some have nothing and some have 'P' which I think means private baptism. Not even all the adults have an 'A' next to their entry, although that may just be human error? Thanks all for the replies!

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That column with 'analytical chemist' is parents occupation.
The 'adult' theory is a great one, and makes sense, but why does the bottom entry not have an 'A' if this is the case?
Hmm.


Amy

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Hi everyone,
Wondering if somebody could tell me what the 'A' means in the margin of this baptism record I've found?
Thanks,
Amy


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I've seen the 1911 census but cannot confirm any others.

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Thanks everyone for the responses. It's a shame the burials aren't online. I'm in Australia and cannot visit the LMA myself. I also don't wish to send anyone on a wild goose chase seeing as I'm not certain where the child was buried. I have ordered so many certificates from GRO recently, I was trying to avoid getting another one just yet for this little boy, but it seems I will have to! Thanks again.

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Hi everyone,
I'm wondering if someone can assist me in finding a burial record for this little one:
Cornelius Desmond, aged 1 and 10 months. Where Buried: Private.
He died in St George in the East workhouse infirmary.
(He is second from the bottom on attached image)
Document was found on Ancestry http://search.ancestry.com.au/search/db.aspx?dbid=1559
Tower Hamlets > St George in the East Union, Stepney > 1907 > Page 12 of 17.
If he is my relative (which I think he is) his mother's name is Ellen Desmond nee Brian and father is John Desmond.
If anyone could find a baptism or something for him too, that would be amazing. I would love to know more about his family.
Thank you kindly to anyone who is able to assist. I look forward to discussing this further with any interested parties.
Amy.

Image removed to prevent breach of copyright

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Hi Sharon
I've just been reading your posts/chat with Amy and I'm left trying to work out exactly how we are related too. My grandmother Phyllis's father was Richard Sidney Rosenberg. He was the eldest of the four children born to Richard Thomas Rosenberg and Annie Blanche Miller and the only one who DIDN'T change his name to Sullivan.

Best wishes

Barry

Barry,
Sharon is the daughter of Bernard Sullivan (Bernard Alfred Rosenberg and Harriet Caroline O'Brien's eldest son). I believe you are second cousins once removed.
xx Amy


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London & Middlesex Lookup Requests / Re: LMA Lookup Request (Records are not online)
« on: Saturday 03 January 15 06:01 GMT (UK)  »
The parents had been in the Bethnal Green workhouse but were removed to St George in the East and at the time of their interview at St Geo East workhouse, it sounded like the child George had only just been taken out of Carshalton.
To point you in the right direction for further research, it would be helpful to know exactly what the poor law records say.

With the information you've now provided, I found the removal order for Cornelius BRIEN 28, Ellen 24, Emma 2 and George 4 mo from Bethnal Green workhouse to St George in the East, order dated 3 June 1910. For anyone else looking, this in BEBG/273/002, in the indexed section of poor law records on Ancestry (London, England, Selected Poor Law Removal and Settlement Records, 1828-1930).

But I'm struggling to find the settlement examination at the workhouse. If you found it online, please provide enough information (names, date, union, and vol/image refs if unindexed) for those who have access to find it online. If it is not online, please transcribe its contents here. If you'd prefer not to, you're welcome to send me a PM.

In any event, the family were apparently chargeable to St George in the East. So in order to pursue this further you will need to have someone search the records of the Stepney Union (STBG) at LMA.

One option is to email LMA with all the information that you have, tell them what you are trying to find out, and ask them to provide exact references for the other resources they hold that might help you. That sort of general enquiry is answered free of charge. You will then be in a better position to ask for lookups from RootsChatters.  :)

Hi Bookbox,
Thanks so much for all the info and advice.
The settlement papers were found on Ancestry. They are not indexed and I don't have a subscription at the moment so I can't tell you the vol/image refs, but I wrote down how I found them when I searched initially - they can be found under "London, England; Poor Law and Board of Guardian Records, 1430-1930; Tower Hamlets > Stepney > Settlement Papers > Orders of Removal, Inwards, 1910. Cornelius, Ellen, Emma and George can be found on page 117 and there are two or three pages on them. I also saved the images.

I think they were admitted from Bethnal Green workhouse... There are a lot of different addresses and dates. It says "Had relief from 14 Oct 1909 to March 1910 and child sent to Carshalton Infirmary from 6 April to date" ... The date at time of interview was June 1910.. If the child had been sent to Carshalton months before his parents interview and Settlement at St George in the East/Stepney, wouldn't this mean the child would be listed on admission registers from the previous workhouse and union? And if so, which union/board of guardians records would I need to look at (for Bethnal Green)?

The Stepney Board of Guardians records don't appear to mention Carshalton Children's Infirmary? http://search.lma.gov.uk/scripts/mwimain.dll/144/LMA_OPAC/web_detail/REFD+STBG?SESSIONSEARCH

I would appreciate your input as you seem to know a lot about this subject, and as you can probably tell, I am relatively clueless. However if you don't wish to participate any further I will follow your suggestion and email the LMA to see if I can get away with a free enquiry, hopefully they can point me in the right direction and I can request a look-up from someone when I have more solid information. I'm sorry I couldn't respond earlier, life gets very hectic sometimes.

I would be interested to hear back from any other interested parties also.

Happy New Year everyone.

Amy.

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The Common Room / Re: 400 pounds left in will in 1881, but family is poor?
« on: Sunday 17 August 14 14:30 BST (UK)  »
As it said the estate was worth under £400 so it could have been £2 or £50 or £150.
There is nothing to suggest it was close to £400

On the other hand the equity (if any) could have been in the form of shares which could have failed, or he could have loaned money  to someone else who defaulted.

Have you looked to see if there is an inventory of goods for his estate, that would give you a better understanding of the value of his estate.

Never use one of those value of sites that claim to relate the value over centuries they are all totally inaccurate as values of numerous items fluctuate as they go in and out of fashion.

Cheers
Guy


How do I go about finding an inventory of goods for his estate? I wouldn't have the first idea to be honest.

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