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Armed Forces / Re: Identification of uniform
« on: Saturday 07 May 22 20:50 BST (UK)  »
I strongly suspect this is indeed a Staffordshire knot, but simply the top half is obscured by the shade created by the top of the cap.

The uniform is a very good match for that worn by the Staffordshire Yeomanry (Queen's Own Royal Regiment) from around 1905 onwards.

The basis of this uniform was the standard khaki introduced for the regular army in 1902, but the Staffordshire Yeomanry 'smartened' the standard uniform by adding an upright scarlet collar to the tunic, worn with a dark blue and scarlet coloured peaked cap, exactly as seen here.

T

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Armed Forces / Re: Help identifying this uniform
« on: Thursday 31 March 22 18:08 BST (UK)  »
Hi

Everything about this photo is compatible with the Royal Highlanders (Black Watch). (1) The cluster of short black tails on the sporran resembles only the 5 tails worn by the Black Watch; (2) the feather 'hackle' on the bonnet is not white but dark, so can only match the red hackle of the Black Watch (3) dark hose tops must be the red and black pattern worn by the Black Watch (4) the blurred collar badge is the right shape for the Black Watch.

So this is either the uniform of the Black Watch, or a volunteer, militia or colonial uniform closely modelled on the Black Watch.

The rifle is a Martini, os if he's in the UK the photo is probably before the mid 1890s - if its a colonial unit based on the Black Watch it could be as late as 1900.

T


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Armed Forces / Re: Major Tosland of Bedfordshire - Uniform or Costume?
« on: Tuesday 29 March 22 19:42 BST (UK)  »
The outfit is typical of the grey uniform used by many Rifle Volunteer Corps during the 1860s and early 1870s. The volunteer corps were similar to the militia, but were a different organisation (completely unpaid part-timers with a reputation at this period for amateurism).

From the fine detail, I am sure it is a real volunteer uniform.  It could be being worn as a costume, but seeing the other post and the link to the full album, seems more likely to me the wearer was actually an officer in the volunteers.  'Dressing up' was one of the main attractions of volunteering, of course!

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Armed Forces / Re: Identifying uniform
« on: Tuesday 29 March 22 19:30 BST (UK)  »
This is definitely the uniform of the New South Wales Militia Infantry - the white collar tabs are quite distinctive. The uniform was worn from about 1895 (when New South Wales was a separate colony with its own military), until a few years after Australian federation.

From the detail of the uniform, he was probably a member of the 1st, 2nd, 3rd or 4th NSW Infantry Regiments.  These were all Militia units, based in Australia - NSW units actually serving in South Africa during the Boer War wore different uniforms from this.

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Armed Forces / Re: Help identify a uniform and possible conflicts
« on: Friday 12 November 21 18:44 GMT (UK)  »
Looks like a volunteer as noted above (the braid on his uniform appears to be white, not yellow as it would be for a regular - yellow appears quite a lot darker at this time due to the photographic process).

Also, could be artillery - very similar uniform, but blue tunic with red details rather red with blue details.  Again, you really can't tell the difference between red and dark blue in nineteenth-century photos, due to the process.

T

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Armed Forces / Re: Identify Uniform Please Brooklyn
« on: Tuesday 26 October 21 20:14 BST (UK)  »
I think what you are seeing on the badge is not IIV but the top of the letters NY, and the badge is this:

making him a member of the 1st New York Volunteer Infantry, one of the volunteer units created for service in the Spanish American War of 1898.

This had an L Company, which was raised from the 5th Battalion of the NY State Militia / National Guard.  See https://www.spanamwar.com/1stnyhistory.html which includes a photo of L Company.

His name may even be on this roster of L Company https://www.spanamwar.com/1stnyroster.htm#Company%20L, presumably one of the 6 sergeants listed

T

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Armed Forces / Re: Can anybody throw any light on this unidentified mounted (WWI?) soldier ?
« on: Monday 11 October 21 07:26 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: tonepad on Monday 11 October 21 06:26 BST (UK)
The complete photo shows a more typical British landscape than Macedonian (harsh and arid).
There is a typical British hedgerow running through the photo in the middle distance.

The middle standing chap's clothing is not Serbian. He is wearing a British waistcoat with a V-neck, unfastened. He is not wearing a Serbian Hat.

British soldiers with waistcoats attending to horses:

https://www.nam.ac.uk/explore/british-army-horses-during-first-world-war


The photo was possibly taken at a summer training camp before WW1 started in Aug 1914:

https://www.porthcawlandthegreatwar.com/1912---1914.html

Notice more soldiers wearing waistcoats.


Tony

For what it's worth, agree with this 100 %

T

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Armed Forces / Re: Can anybody identify the uniform in this picture
« on: Monday 11 October 21 06:23 BST (UK)  »
Hi Jim

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id the buttons on the single breasted version of the late 1850s follow the same line towards the right shoulder?
No, the opening was down the centre, very similar to the current Guards regiments tunic.  You're right about the sash covering the other row of buttons.

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I also presume that as an officer transferring permanently to another regiment, he would have been expected to get his uniform tailored to the latest requirements at that time (again, 1858)
That's correct, but in any case he would already have been in the 1856 pattern by that date.

It was usually possible to 'wear out' old-pattern tunics inside barracks, but basically officers were required to adopt the current pattern as soon as it was applicable.  The materials used for officers tunics were expensive, they were privately tailored rather than government issue, and most 1855 tunics were probably re-tailored into the 1856 pattern ASAP, rather than kept.

I don't like to say anything's impossible unless it is truly impossible rather than very unlikely, but I'd be very, very surprised if he was still wearing in the 1855 pattern in 1861, five years after it was abolished.

(There are lots of 'old' items you will see used years after abolition, such as swords, badges, informal/undress/working uniforms, but the tunic isn't one of them).

The miniature looks like a tinted photo - the simplest explanation that would tie everything together is they used an old photo for whatever reason.

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Armed Forces / Re: Can anybody identify the uniform in this picture
« on: Sunday 10 October 21 18:41 BST (UK)  »
He's wearing the very short-lived double-breasted tunic, which was introduced in 1855, and replaced by a single-breasted version in 1856. It obviously took a little while for changes in regulation to reach Australia, but highly unlikely the picture is any later than 1857 (and obviously no earlier than 1855).

For 12th foot the cloth of the collar should be yellow, or for 30th foot should be pale yellow, but it appears to be white or buff (the dark yellow around the edge of the collar represents gold lace).  Several regiments had white or buff collars at this time, but it could simply be that the tint used for the pale yellow of the 30th has faded to white.


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