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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Lease of Queens College Cambridge
« on: Monday 25 September 23 14:47 BST (UK)  »
He might be found under HANDCOCKE as his membership lists him in 1597. (Robert of Great Wilbraham also spelled his name that way in his 1658 will)

adding, in case the name may have also been spelled Ormsby (one of the previous owners, John): 
...Fulbourn farm, long called Ormsbys, and covering in 1573, besides a 40-a. block of closes, 220 a. of arable, (fn. 281) for which c. 250 a. were allotted at inclosure, (fn. 282) remained with the college until sold to its tenant in 1948.
about 1/2 way down page, paragraph before footnotes...

Europe / Re: French ancestor, born c1720
« on: Sunday 24 September 23 14:39 BST (UK)  »
 Hi, Lisa!
 Date a few years off for a Guillaume Veude

 Although a super longshot, as the records say fille not fils...but we have seen gender errors before. Hard to prove unless further family info is available, though. Mother's name might start with a C rather than P but it seems a horrid caps flourish was more important than the actual name.
 Guillaume Veaux
  *Modified to add:

Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Initials on a v old letter
« on: Monday 10 April 23 17:24 BST (UK)  »
Ahhh...Gotcha! I did modify to add the baptism of  "An Katharine" as "Ayre", though... since she is of interest.

Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Initials on a v old letter
« on: Monday 10 April 23 00:12 BST (UK)  »
Perhaps she did not want to be known as Katherine Pegge, for obvious reasons...

This person does not appear to know about neice Anna Katherina...
( adding, sorry I was wrong as they're listed...but oddly must scroll down for the full list)

But does have Temperance as born 20 April 1656 Hopton Hall -
- baptised 8 May 1656 at Wirksworth, Derbyshire, Eng.
excerpt from page "She had inherited Hopton as the last surviving sibling of Philip Gell, and it passed after her death to her nephew John Eyre, son of her eldest sister Katherine"

Having so much land to document makes for some pretty handy genealogy results
Bargain and sale by Katherine Gell, wife of John Gell of Hopton

Bakewell Derbyshire  All Saints Church
as " AYRE"!!!  An Katharine-   Baptism  12 Jan 1664   Father Willm of Holme   occ Gentleman
as Eyre... Many of which do state Katherine as mother:
also Mary 13 Mar 1667     Elizabeth  23 Mar 1670     Robert 26 Apr 1672  Katherine 20 Sep 1674
Barbara 29 Jan 1675  William  05 Jun 1677   Temperance 02 Nov 1678
Thos 03 Apr 1683   Bernard 01 Aug 1686   Francis 05 Feb 1688

Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Initials on a v old letter
« on: Sunday 09 April 23 04:12 BST (UK)  »
I have to agree that this handwriting does appear to be too modern for the era...However...
It looks to be a K in which she or someone tried to make the left stroke also resemble an A
  I take it you want it to be this gal:
Marriage 27 Dec 1692 Bakewell Derbyshire  All Saints
 Christopher Pegg* & Anne Catherine EYRE

Marriage settlement -  William Eyre & Katherine Gell
Marriage settlement,  William Eyre... his daughter Anna Catherina Eyre of Hopton (Db) on her marriage to Christopher Pegg ...Concerns the manors of Beaucheffe, Dore and Hathersedge

There appear to be several documents available at the Derbyshire Record Office:

The original family name appears to have been le Heyr

adding...after her death as Anna Katharina
consent of Wm. Eyre, of Highlow, co. Derby, father of Anna Katharina, deceased, late wife of Christopher Pegge, and mother of Anne Pegge, to the passing of a Bill for the sale of certain lands in Hathersedge.....

Sorry, Dave was not insinuating that it was malicious...just that these things can happen incidentally, accidently or spur of the moment.
I still root for the fellow I chose as the more I look at him the more resemblance I see...the hairline & brows pointing upward & inward...He's also the only one with a pronounced highlight on the upper lip.

   I don't think it is unusual to have long courtships. My husband & I didn't marry for several years...
looking at all 3 of these pics, similar nose width & shadows, large lips, eye shape are very similar.
   He or someone in the family may have scratched at the image because they didn't like it. Not an unusual thing to have happen, as I have seen it before. It was also folded as though discarded, but perhaps a loved one salvaged it.

I figured we were looking at the same fellow Dave...Before reading anything I also saw him as the lad in the front row - 2nd from left. The brow shape and the nose seem similar. Shocked that Gadget & I aren't on the same page with this one.  ;D

The Lighter Side / Re: Unfortunatel names
« on: Saturday 08 April 23 14:37 BST (UK)  »
haha, thanks for the giggle! Must add, although unfortunate use of surnames only. My husband worked for a company that amalgamated, using the last names of the previous owners.  BELLE-FOSH. A client laughed out loud when he saw it. "Do you know what fosh is in my country? POO!"  Translating the other from French makes it Pretty-Poo...or a dozen other synonym pair ups from which I've chosen wisely. ;D ;D ;D

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