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The Common Room / Re: Wills - plain English required!
« on: Thursday 22 January 15 20:42 GMT (UK)  »
That was so confusing to me. I thought I had ordered one. It must have been from a bogus site because I never got it. Then, I thought that maybe he didn't have one. Being from over here and things working differently, I thought maybe I just didn't know how to order it correctly or that he didn't have a will.

He is my husband's 3rd Great Grandfather. Will have to go home (at work and getting off soon) and look at this step-by-step to be sure and get it right.

Thank you so much!! VERY excited to get this!!!

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The Common Room / Re: Wills - plain English required!
« on: Thursday 22 January 15 17:31 GMT (UK)  »
So I originally found my record on another "search" site and it is shows up but on the Government site it does not. I have Henry Sykes died on Dec 11 Dec 1868 and his probate as 23 Jan 1869.  There is all sorts of detail. (Please be patient with me..... I am from the U.S.  ;) )

Anyway, if I understand right, then this must mean that there was no Will but a "Grant" ------ BUT would there not be something "Official" or do I just go by what I find that is online?

Thank you!

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Monmouthshire Lookup Requests / Re: Watkins Marriage look-up, please~ COMPLETE
« on: Thursday 22 January 15 16:27 GMT (UK)  »
I have my John Watkins married to Louisa Parry b 1874 - daughter of John b 1844 & Clara Jane b 1855 .... could they be connected or related?

She has brothers John & James and sister Clara Jane.

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Monmouthshire / Re: No named father on Marriage Certificate
« on: Sunday 29 April 12 19:25 BST (UK)  »
If they only needed three weeks to be married in that parish... then maybe I need to look at one of the nearby Llanvihangel parishes.

Would it have the place of his birth on his death record? There are TWO John Watkins... same age, same place & time in the index. How do I know which is mine if I order? Is there any way to find out, before to be sure it is the one I want??

I've been looking at the Llangenny area & it is quite small. That is where John & Elizabeth both lived when they died. Would the parish Church yard be their burial place?

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Monmouthshire / Re: No named father on Marriage Certificate
« on: Sunday 29 April 12 16:27 BST (UK)  »
Yes, OTP was for Llantillo Crosseney. That was why I 'thought' that was where he was born & especially with the 1861 census naming Llantill Crosseny as his birth place.

But for his wife, Elizabeth... it also says Llantillo Crosseney or OTP on their marrige. She was born in Clodock, Hereforshire... so I can't really go by the "OTP" for John as birth place... can I???

Of the census records that I KNOW are him... since he is married and I am unsure of the ones before:

The 1861 Llanbedr, Breconshire census says he was born in Llantillo Crosseney. Llantillo Crosseney is where he was living a the time of his marriage in 1857.

Elizabeth's father, Henry dies in 1868 and by the 1871 census John & Eliz's two eldest sons are still in Llanbedr with their Widowed Grandmother while the "Watkins" family moves on to Llangenny, Breconshire.

The 1871 Llangenny census that says Llanvihangel, Monmouth 
The 1881 Llangenny census just says "Monmouthshire" for birth place.

He died in 1883. Age 56 at death fits with the 1827 birth date. Elizabeth lives in Llagenny until her death about 1903.

Thank you to all!
Charlotte




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Monmouthshire / Re: No named father on Marriage Certificate
« on: Sunday 29 April 12 15:42 BST (UK)  »
I appreciate the input.

Question I now have is... where WAS he born??? Llantillo Crosseney or Llanvihangel??

I forgot that John & Elizabeth married in Llantillo Crosseney but moved to Llan Bedr with her parents. (Then later on to Llangenney)

1n 1861 Henry Syke(s) -father of Elizabeth - lived i Llanbedr:
Cottage name: Henbant & was a farmer of 150 acres.

Daughter, Elizabeth and her husband John Watkins (w.3 sons) are living next door. John is an "Ag Lab" - most likely working for Henry.

1861 census says that John was born in Llantillo Crosseney, Wales
1871 census says that John was born in Monmouth, Llanvihangel

If it is Llantillo Crosseney, then he is most likely the son of Sarah Watkins & Rees Rees. If Llanvihangel ... on is near by... then I have to wait until I can access those parish records to see if there was a John born about that time - 1827.

Can you explain about the parish charging the father maint?? How did that work??

THANK YOU!!!

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Monmouthshire / Re: No named father on Marriage Certificate
« on: Sunday 29 April 12 14:08 BST (UK)  »
Oh... witnesses were Joseph Miles and Herbert Williams. No clue where they fit in.

Elizabeth's father evidently had some amount of money. Not extremely wealthy, but enough to be a "Farmer" and not simply an "Ag Lab" .... and when he died, had a Will registered - which I am waiting to receive in the mail.

Weren't those base born looked down on back in the mid 1800's?? I guess, what I am saying... would a father approve of his daughter marrying a bastard?


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Monmouthshire / Re: No named father on Marriage Certificate
« on: Sunday 29 April 12 13:51 BST (UK)  »
This is a portion of the transcript with John, son of George & Mary Watkins and then a few down is John Rees, son of Rees Rees Coachman by Sarah Watkins.

Is the baby #2 John Rees Watkins or did he take on his father's last name?? Maybe that would be a clue for me. Someone else saw this and said he would be a Watkins. I thought that back then, if mom & dad weren't married the child would legally be mother's last name.

Also, as I am not familiar with all the areas there... why would one census say he was born in Llantillo Crosseney, Monmouth & another say he was born in Llanvihangel, Monmouthshire.

If John "Reese" did not go by "Watkins" because of his mother, then John s/o George and Mary would be the Llantillo Crosseney "John" .... but b/c of the other census naming Llanvihangel as his birth place... how do I know which is which???

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Monmouthshire / No named father on Marriage Certificate
« on: Thursday 26 April 12 02:04 BST (UK)  »
Received 'official' copy from GRO in today's mail. Marriage took place in June instead of May given on online transcript for this parish. Not really a big deal but was hoping to have more information.

On both the transcript I found online and the "official" copy, there is NO FATHER listed for my groom... John Watkins. (m Elizabeth Syke June 18, 1857 in Llantillo Crosseney)

There is a baby John born to an unmarried girl and one  born to a "George" Watkins & his wife, Mary that falls into that time period. That George died before this marriage took place.

Would John be the son of the unmarried female with no name for father..... or is he the son of George who died before his marriage?? What reasons would there be for not listing the father. Any way to find out for sure if this means he was 'base born.'??????

1861 census says he was born in Llantillo Crosseney
1871 says Llanvihangel, Monmouthshire, Wales
1881 just says "Monmouth"

Help!!!

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