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Census and Resource Discussion / Name changes?
« on: Thursday 13 September 12 13:51 BST (UK)  »
Is it common for people to change their names in the census - I can see where yuo might get variations (e.g.John/Jack) but  I mean a totally different name!

What I have is:

1911: Patrick Carr (55), wife Catherine (32) - he's a doc labourer (marrried 1878)

1901: Patrick (48), Catherine (42) - doc labourer with children -Catherine (13), Michael (11), Martin (8) adn Anne (3)  His age is a little out but within acceptable margins and the children are right so it's him!

1891: Patrick (35), Catherine (32) doc labourer; children:James (12), John P (10), Mary E (8), William (5), Catherine (3) and Michael (1)

All OK so far but no sign that I can see in 1881 census. What I did find is:
Nathaniel (24), Catherine (220 - general labourer with children: James (3) and John (5 months)

This ties is with what he did, his wife the children I expected (James and John 10yrs younger than 1891) but it's Nathaniel... And no Nathaniel birth details that tie in (1855 +/-5). Could he be Patrick and why might he have changed his name. Marriage certificate (1878) has Patrick (father James, mariner, deceased) and Patrick thereafter but no 1881!

no indication he was in the military (and possibly abroad)... Any thoughts/suggestions as I'm a bit stumped!

TIA
Damien

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Lancashire / Carrs Liverpool
« on: Tuesday 26 July 11 13:39 BST (UK)  »
May seem a strange question but was it common for people to change their christian name...?

I have in my tree Patrick Carr (b c1856) m Catherine Kelly (b c1858) in 1878. I have them in the 1891 census with children James (b1879), John (b1881),... but no mention of them in the 1881 census. However, I did find:

Nathaniel Carr (b c1857), Catherine (b C1859), James (b 1878) and John (b1881) and no mention of Nathaniel Carr in 1891 census. No sign of a deceased Nathaniel in the intervening 10 years either.  Could he have changed his name? If so why? He was Patrick in 1878 (marriage) and again in 1891 if Nathaniel is the same person... :(

Any suggestions welcome!

Damien

PS On the marriage certificate Patrick's father is listed as James Carr, mariner, deceased. I have a James (mariner) but no son Patrick I can find or Patrick but not father James (mariner)!

PPS Prior to the marriage (according to the marriage certificate) both Patrick and Catherine lived in Sawney Pope St in Liverpool. Does anyone know of any records for specific streets...?

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Lancashire / Re: Name change
« on: Wednesday 27 October 10 14:29 BST (UK)  »
Thanks!

That could explain it - maybe just didn't like the name Nathaniel. From the marriage certificate I know his father was James Carr, mariner, deceased (in 1878). Mother maybe Ann (not sure!) so I can check around when he was born and see if I can find either Nathaniel or Patrick! :)

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Lancashire / Name change
« on: Wednesday 27 October 10 14:07 BST (UK)  »
Was it common for people to change their names. Bit of a conundrum and a change of name would explain it but why would they...? Or am I missing something really obvious? Quite possible!!

What I have is this:

I have my wife's grandfather John Carr and his siblings sorted. His parents were Patrick Carr and Catherine Kelly, married in 1878 so I know (roughly!) when they were born.

In 1891 I have Patrick, his wife Catherine and children James, John P, Mary E, Catherine, Michael and William which is fine.

1881 - no sign of Patrick and Catherine. However, I do have a Nathaniel Carr, wife Catherine and children James and John - dates are about right but could this be Patrick? If so, why might he have changed his name?

Only other explanation I can think of is if they weren't in England at the time or somehow missed being included in the census. Sound right or  am I missing something really obvious?

Any help/pointers much appreciated.

Damien

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Down / Re: Portaferry - ROSS/BOOMER
« on: Thursday 18 December 08 20:06 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks Sio - looks promising. Something to keep me occupied during the holidays:-)

Damien

Done a bit more research (not a lot further forward though!) and have some additional information. What I'm after is any advice on the best place to search next :-)

I'm sure (well 99%!) that the Boomers in Portaferry (James m Eliza Sullivan and Phil m Eliza(beth) McDade) were brothers. Looking at the births and who sponsored them when they were baptized I now also have:

Elizabeth Boomer, Jane Boomer, Patrick Sullivan and Ann Sullivan - I'm guessing from this that Elizabeth and Jane were sisters to James and Phl and that Pat was a brother to Liza and Ann either a sister or possibly married to Pat (or another brother!)

Phil's marriage info indicates he was a labourer and his father was Rainey Boomer, a blacksmith. Eliza McDade's father was William, a shoemaker.

Any suggestions as to where I might go next would be much appreciated - they must have come from somewhere!

Damien

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Down / Re: Portaferry - ROSS/BOOMER
« on: Thursday 18 December 08 08:30 GMT (UK)  »
Still here! :)

Been checking periodically (obviously not logged on!) to see if there were any responses - not made a lot of progress. The name "Rainey" (Rene?) and the fact he was a blacksmith makes me think Lisburn may be worth checking out as I've seen both mentioned re Boomers there.

I've also been a bit sidetracked as I've been chasing up the Braniff side though getting towards the end of the line there too I think (back to around 1800).

Clammawr, I'd be interested in any info you may have - I know my mother said she's talked to some of the Dublin crowd on various occasions when they visited but I think that was some time ago now.

Merry Xmas all.

Damien

Damien

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Down / Re: County Down Directory 1886. George Henry Bassett
« on: Tuesday 24 July 07 13:58 BST (UK)  »
Christopher,

Back looking for:

Ross
Boomer (especially if one's a blacksmith)
McDade
Magill

and of course Braniff

Thanks

Damien

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Down / Re: Portaferry - ROSS/BOOMER
« on: Monday 23 July 07 13:03 BST (UK)  »
Re the Portaferry Boomers I've done a bit more research and it raises some more questions (doesn't it always??!!) which I hope somebody can help with. I've put the questions/comments in red but any other info much appreciated.  What I have is:

James Boomer married Elizabeth (Eliza) Sullivan 10/8/1851. Children were (parents listed as James and Eliza):

1  Jane b 31/5/1852 - ties in with wedding date

2   James b 14/5/1854 I think he went to America/Canada but found nothing so far - seems to have disappeared!

3   Brigid b 30/5/1856 - married Patrick Hughes in Belfast. OK as I knew there was a Hughes tie-in somewhere along the line.

4  Elizabeth b8/5/1859 - Married Magill from Killyleagh. No info on him as yet. In 1901 she was living with family in Portaferry so either widowed or separated

5  Catherine b 1/9/1861

6  Roseanne b 8/10/1863 Story is (I think it's her anyway as she's the only unattached one I have) she married a Protestant and the family disowned her. She wasn't talked about so no information. My mother didn't even know the name, just that the event happened. Thinks he was well to do and may have been a coal merchant, possibly Belfast - any chance of checking?

7  Catherine and Jane, twins, b 11/11/1865 There was already a Jane and a Catherine so I'm thinking perhaps they died and the names used again - is this likely? Was it common or am I looking at 2 different families? Only memory of one in Portaferry and my mother remembers the twins.

8  Rebecca b 26/4/1868

I'm reasonably happy with 2,3,4, 7 and 8.  1 and 5 - OK if names re-used

Now James had a brother Philip and I have him marrying Elizabeth McDade 23/10/1852
I also have an adult baptism Elizabeth McDade (Sponsor Jane Boomer) 21/11/1852

My first thought (as far as I know the Boomers were Catholic, though Protestant at one time as the origin is the French Hugenots) and that Elizabeth McDade converted before marrying Philip and that one of the dates was wrong.  However, when I checked the records I found they were married in the Church of Ireland in Portaferry - any suggestions as to what might have happened here? Two Elizabeth McDades? For Philips marriage the father is listed as 'Rainey Boomer' which I think comes from the French Rene indicating the family roots but I've foudn nothing on him that ties in date wise so I'm no closer to finding where they came from prior to being in Portaferry.

On the Boomer side, going on the sponsors at baptisms it seems that James had a brother Philip and a sister Jane at least.
Ditto on the Sullivan side, it looks like a brother Pat and sister Annie (could be married name I suppose)

Any/all help suggestions as to where I might go next much appreciated

Damien

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Down / Re: Portaferry - Ross/Boomer
« on: Wednesday 18 April 07 13:21 BST (UK)  »
Some additional info following a trip to PRONI;

James Boomer married Eliza Sullivan 10 Aug 1851

Children of James and Eliza
Jane Boomer, 31 May 1852 - witnesses Henry Farringham (?) and Jane Boomer (James' sister?)
James Boomer, 14 May 1854 - witnesses John Dorrian and Annie Sullivan (Eliza's sister?)
Brigid Boomer, 30 May 1856 - witnesses William Magennis and Jane Boomer
Catherine Boomer, 11 Sept 1856 - witnesses John Edmonde and ??? Savage
Roseanne Boomer, 8 Oct 1856 - witness Ann Sullivan
Jane and Catherine, 11 Nov 1865


Brigid, Catherine, Roseanne - all in 1856 doesn't add up. I'm guessing the dates are wrong or it's totally different people. My guess would be that Roseanne is right going by the witness - Ann Sullivan. I know the twins info is right (mother remembers them).

If the earlier Jane is right then I assume she died - was it common to 're-use' names when this happened?

I also found
Philip and Eliza Boomer (nee McDade?) had two children:
Catherine, 18 Sept 1852
Michael 4 may 1855

Maybe ring some new bells :-)

I've found no other Boomers locally - nearest I've found is Donaghadee. Fair way off but maybe connected.

Damien



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