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Worcestershire / Re: Memorial inscriptions Old Swinford
« on: Tuesday 05 June 18 23:45 BST (UK) »
Many thanks Jomot, that explains the 1676 reference.
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Worcestershire / Re: Memorial inscriptions Old Swinford
« on: Tuesday 05 June 18 04:40 BST (UK) »
Hi, I am interested in an MI for Thomas Foley of Witley, which is referenced in a transcription on FindMyPast. According to this he died in 1676, but he is generally thought to have died on 1 Oct 1677.
Can anyone help with the wording of Thomas Foley's MI please?
Thank you, Don Lloyd
Can anyone help with the wording of Thomas Foley's MI please?
Thank you, Don Lloyd
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Kent / Re: Bishop families in Kent
« on: Tuesday 17 March 15 11:31 GMT (UK) »
The monumental inscriptions at Newenden for Samuel Bishop and his wife Mary Plane are transcribed in item #5 at the following link.
http://www.kentarchaeology.org.uk/Research/Libr/MIs/MIsNewenden/01.htm
The ancestry of Mary Plane is available online an the Weald website:
http://www.theweald.org/home.asp
Search for the name Mary Plane, and choose the one born in 1721.
The parents of Mary Plane were Iden Plane and Mary Gilbert. All the details are on the Weald. Iden Plane died at Newenden in 1773, apparently living with or near Mary and Samuel, but he was buried at Linton. Iden's wife Mary died at Staplehurst in 1758 and she too was buried at Linton.
Also buried at Linton were the other 4 children of Iden Plane and Mary Gilbert, who died early in their childhood.
The parents of Iden Plane were George Plane and his 2nd wife Anne Beeston. Both were buried at Linton, George in 1712 and Anne in 1739.
The first in the family to be buried at Linton seems to be George's daughter Martha by his 1st wife Martha Smith. Martha jnr was buried at Linton in 1706, where she had actually been living. There must have been a family burial area created at Linton.
The Weald traces the ancestry of George Plane back to Wyat Plane and Rebecca Jones, who married at Hadlow in 1570.
The ancestry of George Plane on the Weald has been based on the Plane pedigree in a book entitled "A Genealogical Record of the Families of King and Henham, in the County of Kent", printed in 1899.
I used to be able to find this book online at the following link, but now I am having trouble. Perhaps it is just my computer.
http://memory.loc.gov/master/gdc/scdser01/200401/books_on_film_project/PSCLOC_BF013/PDFs/20070601065ge
Each PDF in the folder is a page in the book. The Plane pedigree page is PDF 30.
Alternatively if I Google the book's title it now sees to be on the ancestry website.
Anyway if you find the book, in PDF 29 there is memorandum that supposedly shows that Rebecca Jones was the daughter of Jasper Iden of Yalding, and so traces the ancestry even further back. I looked closely at this and decided that it was all nonsense, and I advise you not to accept it uncritically.
I hope this helps - sorry I don't have anything on the Bishop family itself.
http://www.kentarchaeology.org.uk/Research/Libr/MIs/MIsNewenden/01.htm
The ancestry of Mary Plane is available online an the Weald website:
http://www.theweald.org/home.asp
Search for the name Mary Plane, and choose the one born in 1721.
The parents of Mary Plane were Iden Plane and Mary Gilbert. All the details are on the Weald. Iden Plane died at Newenden in 1773, apparently living with or near Mary and Samuel, but he was buried at Linton. Iden's wife Mary died at Staplehurst in 1758 and she too was buried at Linton.
Also buried at Linton were the other 4 children of Iden Plane and Mary Gilbert, who died early in their childhood.
The parents of Iden Plane were George Plane and his 2nd wife Anne Beeston. Both were buried at Linton, George in 1712 and Anne in 1739.
The first in the family to be buried at Linton seems to be George's daughter Martha by his 1st wife Martha Smith. Martha jnr was buried at Linton in 1706, where she had actually been living. There must have been a family burial area created at Linton.
The Weald traces the ancestry of George Plane back to Wyat Plane and Rebecca Jones, who married at Hadlow in 1570.
The ancestry of George Plane on the Weald has been based on the Plane pedigree in a book entitled "A Genealogical Record of the Families of King and Henham, in the County of Kent", printed in 1899.
I used to be able to find this book online at the following link, but now I am having trouble. Perhaps it is just my computer.
http://memory.loc.gov/master/gdc/scdser01/200401/books_on_film_project/PSCLOC_BF013/PDFs/20070601065ge
Each PDF in the folder is a page in the book. The Plane pedigree page is PDF 30.
Alternatively if I Google the book's title it now sees to be on the ancestry website.
Anyway if you find the book, in PDF 29 there is memorandum that supposedly shows that Rebecca Jones was the daughter of Jasper Iden of Yalding, and so traces the ancestry even further back. I looked closely at this and decided that it was all nonsense, and I advise you not to accept it uncritically.
I hope this helps - sorry I don't have anything on the Bishop family itself.
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Kent Lookup Requests / Re: Langley Parish Register - Gray Marriage
« on: Tuesday 01 April 14 05:23 BST (UK) »
Another correction: the references to Martha Plane's husband John Gardner in my previous post should read Mark Gardner.
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Kent Lookup Requests / Re: Langley Parish Register - Gray Marriage
« on: Monday 31 March 14 10:40 BST (UK) »
I went to view the Linton PR again today, and this time saved copies of the pages concerned so I can send them to either of you if you like.
Re bkr188's point about whether the father of Iden 1723 was John or Iden, I can't speak for what is in the Marden PR. But John and Iden can look very similar if the cursive capital I is written like J, and I can understand how a transcriber could confuse the two, especially if he has never heard of Iden Plane.
But I have copies of the 4 children's burials in Linton, and the father was Iden all cases.
Specifically for Iden buried at Linton on 2 Aug 1723, the narration is "Iden Son of Iden & - (mother's name omitted) Playne of Marden". In Iden, the I is essentially the same as J, the d is written as ∂ and the e as Ԑ. If this isn't the Iden baptised at Marden on 24 Jun 1723 (supposed father John) then I don't know where he came from. But I guess the complete answer is in the Marden PR, something I can't look at quickly.
The Martha Gardner who was buried in 1706 was definitely the wife of John. I had not noticed before that John Gardner's burial date of 11 Apr 1712 was the same as George's, coincidence I think.
Edward Ossen's burial on 16 Mar 1713 was actually in 1713/14, so it was after the burial of his father John Ossen on 21 Oct 1713.
Unexpectedly the Mary Plaine who was buried at Linton in 1758 was described as the wife of Iden Plaine of Staplehurst. An Iden Plane was baptised at Staplehurst in 1718, but I think he died in 1744. On the face of it Iden 1687 lived at Staplehurst around 1758, well after his brother John 1685 the latter's wife Anne died there.
Bearkat, does that fit in with what you know about Staplehurst?
Re bkr188's point about whether the father of Iden 1723 was John or Iden, I can't speak for what is in the Marden PR. But John and Iden can look very similar if the cursive capital I is written like J, and I can understand how a transcriber could confuse the two, especially if he has never heard of Iden Plane.
But I have copies of the 4 children's burials in Linton, and the father was Iden all cases.
Specifically for Iden buried at Linton on 2 Aug 1723, the narration is "Iden Son of Iden & - (mother's name omitted) Playne of Marden". In Iden, the I is essentially the same as J, the d is written as ∂ and the e as Ԑ. If this isn't the Iden baptised at Marden on 24 Jun 1723 (supposed father John) then I don't know where he came from. But I guess the complete answer is in the Marden PR, something I can't look at quickly.
The Martha Gardner who was buried in 1706 was definitely the wife of John. I had not noticed before that John Gardner's burial date of 11 Apr 1712 was the same as George's, coincidence I think.
Edward Ossen's burial on 16 Mar 1713 was actually in 1713/14, so it was after the burial of his father John Ossen on 21 Oct 1713.
Unexpectedly the Mary Plaine who was buried at Linton in 1758 was described as the wife of Iden Plaine of Staplehurst. An Iden Plane was baptised at Staplehurst in 1718, but I think he died in 1744. On the face of it Iden 1687 lived at Staplehurst around 1758, well after his brother John 1685 the latter's wife Anne died there.
Bearkat, does that fit in with what you know about Staplehurst?
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Kent Lookup Requests / Re: Langley Parish Register - Gray Marriage
« on: Saturday 29 March 14 05:50 GMT (UK) »
Sorry and the daughter of Martha 1681 and Mark Gardner was Mary 1705 not Martha. And it makes no difference to the wider logic.
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Kent Lookup Requests / Re: Langley Parish Register - Gray Marriage
« on: Saturday 29 March 14 05:41 GMT (UK) »
Of course in my previous post instead of saying that the two Marthas were mentioned in George's will I should have said that his daughter Martha and granddaughter Mary were mentioned in the will, but seemingly he failed to mention that his daughter Martha was dead. It makes difference to the wider logic.
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Kent Lookup Requests / Re: Langley Parish Register - Gray Marriage
« on: Saturday 29 March 14 03:45 GMT (UK) »
If I am right then the Marden History Group records would seem to be wrong. I plan to see the Linton PR again on Monday and will save the relevant records for future discussion, but I can't view Marden. John and Mary does not make too much sense to me, as John was with Ann Chapman in Staplehurst.
I have been trying to work out the details of George's other children, and all roads lead to Linton. I haven't found the marriage of George's 1st daughter Martha 1681 to Mark Gardner, but their daughter Martha was baptised at Linton in 1705 and seemingly Martha nee Plane was buried there in 1706 which explains why they had only 1 child. The two Marthas were mentioned in George's will of 1712, but seemingly he failed to mention that his daughter was dead.
Martha was the 2nd of Mark Gardner's 3 wives. He married Mary Hadloe at Linton in 1701 but she was buried at Linton in 1703. And he married Elizabeth Walker at Linton later in 1706 after Martha died. Mark himself was buried at Linton in 1712. Mark's wives did not have much luck. Martha must have married Mark between 1703 and 1705.
George's other daughter Anne 1688 seems to have married John Ossen at Linton in 1711, so perhaps she was not mentioned in George's will because she had already received her share as a dowry. They had a child Edward named after John's father, baptised at Linton in 1712 and buried there in 1713. John also was buried at Linton in 1713.
All this is provisionally sourced from familysearch, and I still have to check it against the PR for any confirming details.
So as far as we know George's daughter Martha was the first in the family to be buried at Linton, in 1706. George followed in 1712, then Iden's 4 youngest children between 1725 and 1733, George's widow Anne in 1739, Iden's wife Mary in 1757 or 1758 and Iden in 1773. Also young Edward Ossen was buried there in 1713.
I have been trying to work out the details of George's other children, and all roads lead to Linton. I haven't found the marriage of George's 1st daughter Martha 1681 to Mark Gardner, but their daughter Martha was baptised at Linton in 1705 and seemingly Martha nee Plane was buried there in 1706 which explains why they had only 1 child. The two Marthas were mentioned in George's will of 1712, but seemingly he failed to mention that his daughter was dead.
Martha was the 2nd of Mark Gardner's 3 wives. He married Mary Hadloe at Linton in 1701 but she was buried at Linton in 1703. And he married Elizabeth Walker at Linton later in 1706 after Martha died. Mark himself was buried at Linton in 1712. Mark's wives did not have much luck. Martha must have married Mark between 1703 and 1705.
George's other daughter Anne 1688 seems to have married John Ossen at Linton in 1711, so perhaps she was not mentioned in George's will because she had already received her share as a dowry. They had a child Edward named after John's father, baptised at Linton in 1712 and buried there in 1713. John also was buried at Linton in 1713.
All this is provisionally sourced from familysearch, and I still have to check it against the PR for any confirming details.
So as far as we know George's daughter Martha was the first in the family to be buried at Linton, in 1706. George followed in 1712, then Iden's 4 youngest children between 1725 and 1733, George's widow Anne in 1739, Iden's wife Mary in 1757 or 1758 and Iden in 1773. Also young Edward Ossen was buried there in 1713.
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Kent Lookup Requests / Re: Langley Parish Register - Gray Marriage
« on: Friday 28 March 14 05:58 GMT (UK) »
Looking at familysearch again, George Plane was buried at Linton on 11 Apr 1712, a week after writing his will. Perhaps he was the first.
And Mary Plane wife of Iden was buried at Linton on 8 Aug 1757 or 1758.
I will check these against the PR at some future time.
And Mary Plane wife of Iden was buried at Linton on 8 Aug 1757 or 1758.
I will check these against the PR at some future time.