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Northumberland / Re: William MASON wed Mary KING circa 1833 in Tynemouth?
« on: Thursday 07 February 19 03:06 GMT (UK)  »
Thank you JenB,

Appreciate your thoughts, you summed it up well in your reference to 'easily accessible information' - most if not all the information is available to me through sources other than Family Search and I am endeavouring to access those when I can.... Joseph's Will is such in point - and I am grateful for John in transcribing that - unfortunately it doesn't mention his alleged parents, but I will try to access the physical copy as with all other Victorian documents that have arisen so far at some stage.

Wholeheartedly agree, a subscription to FS would make it easier to access information but appreciate I have strong reservations on that company together with their business model and would certainly not offer false information in order to access their platform - I offer no judgement of what others may or may not do. Hope you can respect that and if I do post another query, will certainly mention I am not a subscriber to them

I am in the process of obtaining some of the BDM Discs for Northumberland as similarly those  Durham Records in trying to narrow down the search criteria for William (and Mary) and any possible family in that area. It will be some weeks before I receive them.

It's looking like they may not have resided there as Joseph claimed in the material so far yet Sarah's parents appear to be accurately described

I have to prioritised the material I purchase to direct the search toward the original query and that was finding William and Mary - considering Mary Ann Kell Mason is (most probably) the daughter of Joseph and Sarah, doubtful information on her alleged grand parents would be shown on any of her certificates....so haven't sought them at this stage. I am slowly going over the material again that has already provided together with the many reference sources.... in more detail now given the additional information that has been uncovered.. 

I managed to obtain access to the Northumberland Wills Indexes 1858-1878 - the Blakey's are listed but on checking for the Mason's - no Williams at all....only Mason listed in Tynemouth - being  Sarah Mason of Murton who died 25 Apr 1876. I will purchase that at some stage but am waiting on the discs to arrive..... it's a riddle within an enigma !  ???

Thank you for your help....we have uncovered lots of information on this family, far more than I ever anticipated (anyone would have trouble believing it too) and it's all been done by generous contributors such as yourself and others who made it possible.......it truly is amazing and demonstrates the wonderful nature of those assisting

I'll keep working on it and if anything pops up I will post to this thread immediately, hopefully the material I ordered will open other avenues once I get into it but am confident we'll sort them out - think we've managed to knock a few bricks loose in the original brick wall I hit; given the shared interest  so far......

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Northumberland / Re: William MASON wed Mary KING circa 1833 in Tynemouth?
« on: Monday 04 February 19 01:49 GMT (UK)  »
Apologies for going off topic - Thank you for your suggestions JenB and Rosie - I acknowledge and appreciate the information flow available by yourselves and others; perhaps from that source as you mention........ but in view of your previous posts and to clarify what may be a misconception,  I have copied and pasted but one extract from the Terms and Conditions together with a link to them for additional information.
 --- you agree to provide true, accurate, current, and complete information about yourself (including during the registration process) and to maintain and keep current and accurate this information about yourself, ----

https://www.familysearch.org/terms


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Northumberland / Re: William MASON wed Mary KING circa 1833 in Tynemouth?
« on: Saturday 02 February 19 19:13 GMT (UK)  »
RTL - re post 120

The burial for the mariner William King of Saville Street could possibly be Josephs' uncle....his mother's maiden name as far as he stated was King and the age is about right....purely supposition of course but a great find all the same........thanks

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Northumberland / Re: William MASON wed Mary KING circa 1833 in Tynemouth?
« on: Saturday 02 February 19 10:00 GMT (UK)  »
RTL - sincere thanks for that - some years back when I had different information I researched the marriner line (believing the father to be a sea captain as stated on a later marriage certificate) there were several residing and also boarding in the Tynemouth district.

I obtained a Masters Certificate of Service (# 44,349) for - William Mason - born North Shields stating he had been an apprentice, mate and then master for 36 years and now Master in Boating and Foreign Trades - Certificate was issued at Customs House (sorry can't read where) 12 July 1851......

Given that we now know Joseph appears to have told a few porkies - not sure if this is relevant as I could not trace a residence nor family for this chap in North Shields....that's what I was hoping to achieve.... 

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Northumberland / Re: William MASON wed Mary KING circa 1833 in Tynemouth?
« on: Saturday 02 February 19 09:49 GMT (UK)  »
John,

Re: James Marshall aged about 14 in 1886 - born approx 1872 - residing in Yea.....The Vic Births show a James John Marshall, born 1873 in Upper Plenty (in the vicinity of Yea) to Stowel Marshall (f) and Mary Sheedy (m)...all the other registered James Marshall births are in different areas of Victoria ..

This chap is well documented in the Vic BDM's with marriage and family etc and did reside in Yea according to later census records - so fair chance the same chap as the 14 year old mentioned......

How he relates to Joseph I have no idea and why did this Joseph leave his estate to someone other than his own children?..

I know it's not uncommon but all these unanswered questions do tend to make me think there's certainly an issue with Joseph and his family - however; and this has been a constant all through the search - there is a direct connection to Ararat and to the Railways....with this Joseph at least......

Thank you JenB for those links......unfortunately I cannot access them as I prefer not to submit my personal information to Family Search in order to to create a 'free account'.....

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Northumberland / Re: William MASON wed Mary KING circa 1833 in Tynemouth?
« on: Friday 01 February 19 23:36 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks John and JenB

I generally cannot access any of the more recent Wills or Probate documents listed online nor do I have access to any Ancestry links you post - the latter informing me that I need to pay another subscription to Ancestry to access the links you posted.......I was once a member

Regarding the Probate and Wills etc...I assume it is because my ISP is regional prefixed as it often informs that the record is not available to me online and to access it I will need to physically attend their offices to view etc...

However some Wills and Records are available online but they are generally those up to the 1850's and 60's or thereabouts....but not this one, for me at least.

Thanks for posting the Will, I will have a look next week and see where this Marshall chap fits in.....as I mentioned, I'm still not 100% sure we have the right Joseph.....


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Northumberland / Re: William MASON wed Mary KING circa 1833 in Tynemouth?
« on: Friday 01 February 19 01:53 GMT (UK)  »
John, your post 108

There is reference to a Joseph Mason died 1890 - occupation farmer of Cuddys Flat which is near Maryborough....age was about right but unfortunately this bloke was born in Adelaide, fathers name John and mother Ellen Girk - could be Kirk - his father John was also a farmer and believed he passed the farm down to his son John

John died there on 2 April 1890 from stomach carcinoma - unfortunately not ours Joseph Mason

Thank you for the Whitford connection....I have that line sorted (???) as much as I intend at this stage, preferring to concentrate on the Mason lineage....but as mentioned cannot access ancestry which means unfortunately cannot open the hospital links etc you provided...thanks all the same

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Northumberland / Re: William MASON wed Mary KING circa 1833 in Tynemouth?
« on: Friday 01 February 19 01:45 GMT (UK)  »
Thomas Watts......

Watts married Elizabeth Lowe in Adelaide SA on the 5th Aug 1850 according to SA Marriage Indexes Volume 4, Page 129....I have not checked prior that date but later they moved to Victoria - assumed chasing gold....he worked for a company (not known whether he was an employee or owner) but he was killed in a mining accident at 8am on Wednesday 26 May 1865 - evidently he was standing on a bearer in the main shaft of the Rising Sun Mine at the Majorca Lead shaft when it broke causing him to fall 120' to his death...Medical reports as posted in several newspapers of the time, stated he suffered a crushed skull either from the fall or timbers falling on him - but death was instantaneous.

He left a widow and 2 children - Watts and Lowe had a total of 6 children, 4 were deceased prior him.....his widow then went on to marry Joseph Mason in 1867.....they only had the 2 children (have my doubts as to the father of Mary though) Mary and Adelaide.

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Northumberland / Re: William MASON wed Mary KING circa 1833 in Tynemouth?
« on: Friday 01 February 19 01:15 GMT (UK)  »
jonw65 - replies 97 and 98

There is reference to a Will having been made by Joseph Mason died 14 Mar 1887 a Gatekeeper from Ararat in the Victorian Probate Citations as:
VPRS 7591/ P2  unit 124,  item 34/546 - it is not available online (to me at least and I cannot access Family Search either) but had been dealt with together with the probate for the deceased on 19 July 1887. A check of the Public Records Office of Victoria will take you to that information :

Not sure of protocols in posting a link but here it is for you - mod pls delete if not allowed tks???

 https://prov.vic.gov.au//explore-collection/explore-topic/wills-and-probates

Equally the family I am researching for have always stated the link with Victorian railways as it was believed Mason lived in Ararat in housing provided through his employment.

Not sure where this James Marshall from Yea you mention comes into it at all?

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