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Staffordshire / Re: George Swinson
« on: Sunday 11 June 17 17:50 BST (UK)  »
Hi all,
I'm still in the process of sorting this lot out but a quick summary.
Joseph Swinson = Ann Newton 1753, Lichfield Staffs > George Swinson bapt. Oct 1764 Lichfield.
George Swinson = Mary Webb 178, Stafford(??) > 1789 George Newton Swinson bapt June 1789
George Newton Swinson =  Mary Anne Morgan May 1830 Marlylebone, Middlesex
> Harriet 1832
>George Newton Swinson 1833 = Lucy Dorothy Edwards 853 West Ham, Essex
>Henry 1837
>Mary 1839
>Thomas 1840
>Samuel 1841

http://www.swslhd.nsw.gov.au/bowral125/pdf/Combined.pdf gives history of the hospital in Australia and indicates that Ann Newton is linked to Sir Isaac Newton - but I haven't got that far yet.

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World War One / Re: War Memorial Confusion - Charles Furber
« on: Thursday 18 September 14 08:38 BST (UK)  »
I've just found this post.  I'm researching my family from Meliden and have just come across an unrelated death (either to you or me) in 1923.  The deceased living in King's Head Terrace.

Also one of my rellies was the inn keeper at the Red Lion.  His wife died at 'Red Lion Cottage' in 1905 and he died at 'Red Lion Yard'.  Looking at the Google street view, the Red Lion car park could easily have hosted a row of cottages,

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Edward was born in 1888 in Hanley, Staffordshire.  The son of a Welsh lead miner from Flintshire, Edward himself became a coal miner in North Staffs.  He initially joined the Middlesex Regt. before transferring to the Royal Engineers.

The Battle of Mount Sorrel took place between Hill 60 at Zwarteleen and Hooge. The XIII (Wurttemburg) Corps, launched their attack on 2nd June 1916 after a heavy bombardment. Their objective was to capture the British observation point in front of Ypres and to keep as many British units as occupied as possible, preventing re-enforcement of the Somme and Verdun.  The Canadian Divisions were holding the line.  There was a great deal of hand to hand fighting both on the open ground and trenches and in the tunnels - some of which were blown up by the Germans. 

Edward is listed at the Menin Gate and has no known grave; he is probably still buried in one of the tunnels.  Edward was still single when he died.

William was born in Hampstead, Middlesex, the son of a Welsh carpenter.  He is Edward's cousin and had married Edward's sister in 1914.  They had one child.  Like Edward he had initially joined the Middlesex Regt. before transferring to the East Surrey (probably at the same time).

Having taken part in the Battle of Messines Ridge, William was killed on the second day of the third battle of Ypres - more commonly known as Passchendale.  Although I am not certain how he was killed as it appears that his battalion may have been in  reserve (there is no mention of the battalion taking part in the main offensive).

William is also listed on the Menin Gate and remains where he fell.

Ironically, both men died within 5-6 miles of each other.

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Edward was born in 1888 in Hanley, Staffordshire.  The son of a Welsh lead miner from Flintshire, Edward himself became a coal miner in North Staffs.  He initially joined the Middlesex Regt. before transferring to the Royal Engineers.

The Battle of Mount Sorrel took place between Hill 60 at Zwarteleen and Hooge. The XIII (Wurttemburg) Corps, launched their attack on 2nd June 1916 after a heavy bombardment. Their objective was to capture the British observation point in front of Ypres and to keep as many British units as occupied as possible, preventing re-enforcement of the Somme and Verdun.  The Canadian Divisions were holding the line.  There was a great deal of hand to hand fighting both on the open ground and trenches and in the tunnels - some of which were blown up by the Germans. 

Edward is listed at the Menin Gate and has no known grave; he is probably still buried in one of the tunnels.  Edward was still single when he died.

William was born in Hampstead, Middlesex, the son of a Welsh carpenter.  He is Edward's cousin and had married Edward's sister in 1914.  They had one child.  Like Edward he had initially joined the Middlesex Regt. before transferring to the East Surrey (probably at the same time).

Having taken part in the Battle of Messines Ridge, William was killed on the second day of the third battle of Ypres - more commonly known as Passchendale.  Although I am not certain how he was killed as it appears that his battalion may have been in  reserve (there is no mention of the battalion taking part in the main offensive).

William is also listed on the Menin Gate and remains where he fell.

Ironically, both men died within 5-6 miles of each other.

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Flintshire / Daniel Lloyd & Anne Roberts, Whitford
« on: Thursday 06 March 14 15:44 GMT (UK)  »
I can't believe I've got this far back with these surnames, but now I'm stuck.

Two questions:

Daniel and Anne were married on 24th February 1746, both of the parish of Whitford, Flintshireb but I can't find a birth for either of them in the Whitford Parish.  Does anybody know if any of the records are lost or how much migration around Wales took place.

Second:  Daniel and Anne had a daughter Mary b 1753, who married (by licence) in 1772.  Does anybody know the 'marrying age' of the time?  I did see a programme on TV some time ago where it was suggested that around 1700 it was 15 (by licence/parental consent).

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Montgomeryshire / Re: David Lloyd born 1831 Newtown info
« on: Sunday 15 December 13 14:52 GMT (UK)  »
Aussie Jen,

I don't know if you're still active on this ...but anyway...
This David Lloyd is my wife's gr gr grandfather also.  His daughter Annie being the gr gandmother married to Harry Piddington.  I've had the same problem as you and by now you may have solved which Mary Boulter he actually married (there were two born in Leominster in the same year but with different parents).  The David Lloyd I originally found had Benjamin as the father but with the right date of birth for the marriage.  I have an electronic copy of the register (Birmingham Archives) if you want it.  I can't resolve the 1861 Census there are three, one in London (a sailor), one in Wales with widowed mother Mary (ag labourer) and one in Wales with father Robert (farm worker).  The only marriage I am sure of is the Birmingham one but that was after about 6 or 7 kids had already been born.

Dave

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East Lothian (Haddingtonshire) / Re: John Skirven/Skirvin Anne Ferguson
« on: Wednesday 31 July 13 16:23 BST (UK)  »
Kate
I don't know if you ever had a reply to this.  Sorry I can't help either, but was interested in your ancestors. Actually I was looking for Merrylees at the time of finding this - but anyhow...

One of the ancestors is William Horsburgh (Horseurgh) who married Margaret Skirving in 1756 (Prestonkirk).  When tracing their descendents her name is variously given as Skirving/Skirven.  They lived and died in Morham, East Lothian, Scotland.

Is she a part of your history?

DaveW

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Bron,
Hopefully this will be my third posting - I'll then be able to allowed the PM status!!!

I dropped some local news articles for you to your e.  Plus - an extract that describes James' house and brewery.

Dave

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Bron
Yes Carol is correct...I can't reply to personal messages yet until I've made 3 posts...hopefully this is no.2.  I have e-mailed you directly in response to the only information message I received.  Now I've read that one I may get the others.  As I've been on this machine all day, I've only scanned the information and will have a better look tomorrow.  However, wow to some of the information re the Horsburghs and yes they are from Haddington Marion Oliver is the farthest I've got back to. I'll catch up with this on Monday (14/1 - GMT of course).
Dave

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