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Norma,

where did you get the kirkpartrick information?  I am sure I searched OPR and CRP on scotland's people with no luck. 

oh and bridget walls/ mckewan - John walls sr wife and the children in edinburgh, is that 1941 census?

I am sure that Lauerence Wells the pig dealer on John Wells death certificate is a mistake made by the informant John Sanders, the son in law. I think he remembered Lawrence the pig dealer who married Martha K and died 9 years earlier.      My feeling is John and Laurence were brothers so Michael was John's father.

Re James Wells

in 1851 the census says that James is the nephew of Peter and Francis, but it also suggests he was born in Dumfries not Newcastle. That could easliy be an error since he was very young when Francis and Catherine died. 

In 1861 I cant find Peter at 38 married to a Charlotte  ?surname? with nephew James, bizarly aged  6!  Is this a different nephew or a mistake?

Peter died in 1893. he was another Pig Dealer. I suspect he must have had an accident because he had been paralysed for 3 years.

 I have these records  if anyone would like them

After 1861 we have a James Wells marrying Margaret McMurdo in 1865 age 25. This James is recorded as the son of Michael Wells and Ann Gibson. This is confusing because if 25 in 1865 he would have been born 1841. However there is no sign of his supposed mother Ann in the 1841 census or thereafter. So is this actually James son of Francis age 35 who had been looked after by Michael.

James and Margaret were married to the NNE of Dumfries in Duncow, still a vert rural area. In 1871 they have moved to Queensbury Street, same house ( next room) to the John (and Elizabeth) Wells who's parents we are looking for.  James is now a porter, as was John and John's son Thomas.

So did John find James a job and a place to live? Well since they were both originally Catholic Walls Walls they are probably related. P

James who married Margaret died in April 1891. The age given is 50, again 10 years younger than he should be assuming he was actually the son of Francis and Catherine.

I am not inclined to believe that there was a James born in 1841 to Michael and Ann. 

I am inclined to believe that Francis Walls, John Walls and Laurence Walls the Pig Dealer were all sons of Michael Walls and Ann Gibson.

Francis Walls son, James was looked after his grandfather Michael when his parents died.

Later James was looked after by his Uncle Peter Walls another Pig Dealer and, son of Michael Walls

Then he was helped by his Uncle John Walls .

I also note that if Laurence Walls the Pig Dealer's Uncle was Laurence Walls of Edinburgh.

So Michael Walls and Uncle Laurence Walls  were brothers.

So the parents of John Walls( Wells) were very probably Michael Walls and Ann Gibson

Michael Walls parents were John Walls and Bridget....


 

Norma,

thats good info, but who besides john and laurence mived to Edinburgh?

I think I have Francis and Catherine dying in Dumfries due cholera but I will check

Peter Walls and Mary Raverty certainly disappeared from Dumfries. so they turned up in Newcastle? Interesting   

I have used excel to try and build a picture of the Walls people. Perhaps we can fit what we know together.

H

When my great grandmother married my great grandfather, I see that she was previously married to a James Kirk .

There are notes on the extract that say he is/was a railway guard, but I cannot make out the rest.

Can anyone help?

Henry