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England / Re: Wandering Wades
« on: Monday 28 August 17 14:48 BST (UK)  »
Hi Robin,

No, I have no idea who the Robert and Mary Ann aboard the Trusty were.

Robert Allen Wade was a completely different person -- he was the grandson of William Wade & Mary Peacock.  He was born in South Australia in 1869, the son of their son William.  He married (1) Hulde Magdalene Schirmer, and after her death (2) Ethel May (“Maisie”) Smith.  Uncle Bert was a child of the second marriage.

Cheers,
Jestina

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England / Re: Wandering Wades
« on: Monday 28 August 17 08:04 BST (UK)  »
Hi Robin,

I am not actually a member of the Wade family -- I have been undertaking this research for my cousins.  My aunt married Bert Wade, so he was my uncle by marriage.  He was the youngest child of Robert Allen Wade, who was the son of William Wade, the fifth child of William Wade and Mary Peacock.

Cheers,
Jestina

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Hi John,

I have Arthur James Williams on my tree with both his birth and burial verified, and a lot of details of his children, but nothing verified.  However, it is only since I was doing this research that I have found the free Victorian BDM site, so much of what is unverified on your branch should be able to be verified quite easily.

There is one problem you might be able to help me with, though.  Elva's tree says that Arthur married twice, first to Myrtle Holmes (no dates) then to Annie Maria Petchell.  A quick look at the Victorian BDM site now causes me to suspect that this alleged first marriage did not ever happen, but are you able to confirm one way or the other, please?

John's third and fourth sons are proving to be a pest: common surname, no middle names, and living in a time of very basic record keeping – their parents should have had the foresight to give them interesting and unusual names, or middle names, at least.  ;)

Cheers,
Jestina,
Kingswood

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England / Re: Wandering Wades
« on: Sunday 27 August 17 03:10 BST (UK)  »
It does seem that people used to have a much less fixed idea about their names than we do now, so it is no surprise that Ann would use her birth surname and her stepfather's surname in a way that seems pretty random to us.  On one branch of my tree we had the same situation, with the mother's surname on the birth records more or less alternating between Duncan and Sturm.  It was only by going back a generation that we found one was her birth name and the other was her stepfather's.

Are you descended from Ann?

I look forward to hearing more from you when you are able.

Cheers,
Jestina

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England / Re: Wandering Wades
« on: Saturday 26 August 17 09:57 BST (UK)  »
Hi Robintow,

I have not been "Wade-ing" for some time, so it had taken a bit of effort the get my brain back into gear about them.

John Plummer Wade, was born abt 1822 and baptised on 22 September 1822 at Shenley, Hertford, England.  He was brother to Sarah Wade and half-brother to Ann Peacock/Wade.  He arrived in South Australia 21 March 1839 aboard "Katherine Stewart Forbes" (Source: State Library of South Australia, Pioneers and Settlers Bound For South Australia, Katherine Stewart Forbes 1839 — http://www.slsa.sa.gov.au/fh/passengerlists/1839KatherineStewartForbes.htm)

John married in SA in September 1847 (Source: Genealogy SA: South Australian Online Databases, Marriages, Book/Page: 8/71), so Sarah would have not only had a brother but also a sister-in-law waiting for her if it is she who arrived aboard the "China" in December 1949.  I have been able to confirm that a Sarah Wade did indeed arrive aboard the "China" — http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/48543518?searchTerm=arrival%20china&searchLimits=exactPhrase|||anyWords|||notWords|||requestHandler|||dateFrom=1847-12-01|||dateTo=1848-01-31|||l-advstate=South+Australia|||l-advcategory=Article|||sortby 

The age of the bride, Sarah Ann Wade, who married Robert Lock on 27 May 1850 at Christ Church, Adelaide (Source: Genealogy SA: South Australian Online Databases, Marriages, Book/Page: 6/96), is certainly near enough to match that of 13-year-old Sarah Wade on the 1841 census.  However, no father's name on the marriage record ...  It looks likely, but how to prove it?  ???

I have found the baptism record on FamilySearch for Ann Peacock, daughter of Mary Peacock, baptised at Shenley, Hertfordshire, on 3 October 1819 (also on FindMyPast).

The SLSA site, "Bound for South Australia" — http://www.slsa.sa.gov.au/BSA/ShipLists%20Alpha%20by%20Year/1838T-Z.htm — shows that an Ann Wade arrived in SA aboard the "Trusty" on 15 May 1838, but also that she was accompanied by a Mary Ann Wade and a Robert Wade.  Unfortunately the site gives no other details, such as age or county of origin for any of these three.

I have had no success in hunting for the marriage record for Ann Peacock and John Patrick Mahoney — am I just not seeing it, or was she married in a different colony?  Can you tell me the sources for your information about her, please? 

Cheers,
Jestina      

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Hi John,

I too am in Adelaide, but I am not actually a member of the Williams family.  My aunt married a Williams, and two generations later, so did my niece.  My niece's father-in-law assured me that they were related, but my curiosity was piqued, and I decided to investigate.  It turns out that my aunt's husband was descended from Jabez Williams, the fourth child of John Williams and his second wife, Sarah Waitman, while my niece's husband is a descendant of James Williams, the second son of John Williams and his first wife, Elizabeth Bennett. 

Because it's not my own family I don't have all the details and relationships in my head and it's a long time since I have looked at it, so I need to get it sorted in my mind.

The 1851 UK Census (taken on the night of 30 March 1851), shows that John Williams was born c.1805 in Wrotham, Kent.  (ref: UK Census 1851, Public Record Office Reference HO107, Piece 1612, Folio 569, Page 12, Registration District: Malling, Civil Parish: Wrotham, Address: Beech Wood Platt, Crouch, Wrotham, County: Kent.) 

However, John’s great great grand-daughter, Elva Dickinson, nee Williams, researched the Williams Family History and says that John was born at Brynmrwr, Monmouth, Wales, but she does not give her source for this information.  Two trees on RootsWeb.com also state that he has born in 1807 in Monmouthshire, Wales, but neither gives a source. 

Williams is usually regarded as a Welsh surname, and I remember starting to suspect that John's father might have moved from Wales to Kent, but that's not much help because I can't remember how or why I thought that, and can't see that I made any notes about it (which indicates that is was a suspicion rather than a firm belief).

It is important to note that Elva's approach to family history research is very different from mine.  The huge tree she put together was created by gathering information and oral history from family members.  I was able to borrow a copy of her tree (in hard copy), and although I found it to be an incredibly useful guide, I have included nothing in mine that cannot be verified by primary sources.

I have notes that two baby boys named John Williams were baptised at Wrotham around the right time to be "our" John:
one, the son of John and Elizabeth, on 3 July 1802, (source: http://www.findmypast.co.uk – Parish Records Collection baptism – Record Source: Wrotham baptisms 1558-1812; Kent FHS Ref: 6498; Record source: Kent Baptisms; Data provider: Kent Family History Society), and
the other, the son of James and Elizabeth, on 10 November 1805 (source: http://www.findmypast.co.uk – Parish Records Collection baptism – Record Source: Wrotham baptisms 1558-1812; Kent FHS Ref: 6612; Record source: Kent Baptisms; Data provider: Kent Family History Society). 

Of the two, this second one seems somewhat more likely to be "our" John, but the two births are too close together for the baptism records alone to tell us which is the right one.  It is also possible that "our" John Williams was baptised somewhere else; or that the relevant baptism register is not currently available online; or that it has been lost, damaged or destroyed in the two centuries since John was born.

I also have a question: do you know what happened to John's third and fourth sons, John, born c.1832, and Thomas, born 1835?  I have been able to find baptism records for both (at Borough Green Baptist, Wrotham, Kent), but I can find nothing after their arrival in SA with most of the rest of their family aboard the "Caucasian" (Source: http://www.archives.sa.gov.au/sites/default/files/GRG35_48_1_52-4_Caucasian.pdf)   

cheers,
Jestina

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The Lighter Side / Re: What's the oddest name you've found?
« on: Friday 28 July 17 15:21 BST (UK)  »
This is a current one. A celebrity couple, a Mr West and his wife/partner have a child called North.

I have been surprised to learn that Mr West and partner were not the first to name a child North -- I have recently found a North Carter (male) on my tree, born in 1903.  Rumour has it that he was not held back in life by the name, and became an Air Vice Marshall in the RAF (yet to be confirmed).

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The Lighter Side / Re: What's the oddest name you've found?
« on: Thursday 20 July 17 03:03 BST (UK)  »
Thank you for checking Teddygreen1

I guess if a church-going family had girl triplets Faith, Hope and Charity was the default position for names.

Cheers,
Jestina

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Australia / Re: The disappearing cousin -- Arthur James Walter DENING
« on: Thursday 06 July 17 03:50 BST (UK)  »
Thanks Gerry.

The AWM site confirms what you have said but adds little.

https://oldsite.awm.gov.au/unit/U56055/

"On 1 July 1945, [the 2/12th] landed at Balikpapan in Borneo. Well supported by artillery and tanks it captured its objectives with relatively light casualties, and its active role was over by 5 July. Following the end of the war on 15 August, 2/12th personnel were progressively returned to Australia for discharge. The battalion disbanded at Balikpapan on 1 January 1946."

At least now I know where he was n the latter part of the war.  Thanks again.

Cheers,
Jestina

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