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Surrey / Re: Elizabeth TIMMIS (Single woman) Richmond Surrey 1865
« on: Friday 18 February 22 17:32 GMT (UK)  »
Elizabeth Timmis had Ernest and Arthur before she married William Austin. I would guess that is why they were dumped because she wanted to marry his and he wouldn't take them on.  The father of E and A was 90% certain to be Irish as I am 39% Irish and my father had no Irish blood it had to come through mum and then her father ( granny was Huguenot). Also prior to William austin liz was sharing a house with two Irishmen which could be the source of Ernest and Arthurs father.

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Surrey / Re: Elizabeth TIMMIS (Single woman) Richmond Surrey 1865
« on: Monday 28 May 18 13:58 BST (UK)  »
I used Myheritage.com

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Surrey / Re: Elizabeth TIMMIS (Single woman) Richmond Surrey 1865
« on: Monday 28 May 18 13:56 BST (UK)  »
Yes DNA said 'we are 50% English, 29.1 percent celt vis: Irish, Scottish and Welsh, the remainder Scandinavian. there are  more than 3,000 names on there distantly related, that is they say 3rd cousin or more on all of them so far.
 I dont know whether this is accessible but I might put the DNA test on facebook my site Gill Mahoney
regards Gill

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My thoughts on Ernest's parentage due to the list of people who shared accommodation is that one of the Irish men was Ernest's father due to the DNA showing 29.1% Irish Scottish, and Welsh DNA the rest is English 50% and Scandinavian the remainder. If there is Irish DNA in it to that extent then somewhere he had strong Irish origins and seeing the races involved in the people in that house I would go for one of them as the father. But what of the claim she was married to Austin before my grandfather Ernest or the youngest Ann or Arthur were born.
 To surmise, the situation looks very dubious, she seems to be drifting between men, and I imagine a sort of um an unstable person, who  had children accidentally, or based on trust of one of these men. It would be different if she had one but three!!!! she must have thought that man was going to hang around unless she was truly fickle. Then hiding behind this man Austin after she had three children, after all who put her name down in that census saying  the father was Austin, was he in fact always the father, but wouldn't commit. I don't think so, I think more likely its one of the Irish men, who let her down. Then, Austin didn't want to take them on Ernest, Arthur and Anne, and they ended up boarding in Birmingham and then in the workhouse.

Has anyone ever considered they might be the by product of an Itinerant Irishman?? has anyone looked up the records if there are any on that basis.
Based on the DNA we think that Wilson is the father, because the amount of Irish DNA in my match would have to be accounted for by Ernest's father  most likely being Irish and as they said in the records Scottish also, which is stated. All the Scandinavian names have son on the end
 The DNA was 18% Scandinavian so Wilson for the Irish Scottish  reference and the son on the end of his name, it fits. Maybe a search about him would come up with something.
 The other thing which puzzles me is Anne what happened to her, did she die, did she marry have children if so her predecessors must be out there somewhere.  ( my husband as you will gather from the name Mahoney is Irish and put together these proposals incidentally). There has to be a lot of Irish Scottish Welsh blood in Ernest and Arthur for the percentage to come out so high.

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Surrey / Re: Elizabeth TIMMIS (Single woman) Richmond Surrey 1865
« on: Monday 28 May 18 12:36 BST (UK)  »
Hello , yes I recall you but it has been a long time.
 the DNA which would apply to you too said 52% English, 29.1% celtic- Irish Scottish, Welsh, 18% Scandinavia.  I just found out that Elizabeth it registered as Austin in the 1961 census, which means she must have been with him before Ann Arthur and Ernest were born, so how is she listed as a single woman Timmis? unless of course she knew him and borrowed his name, Did you research into his history?
I Have endless 3rd cousins via the DNA test I guess therefore they might be yours too in some way. Do you know of Ernest's child Fred who went to America with Ethel to live in Wisconsin had two children Ernest and Berdie in turn had children Tom and Diane and now I am in touch with Diane their child as a cousin so many times removed. Very nice to hear from you, I think Terry has kept in touch with people and links perhaps you have heard from him ( my brother) regards Gill

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Surrey / Re: Elizabeth TIMMIS (Single woman) Richmond Surrey 1865
« on: Monday 28 May 18 10:25 BST (UK)  »
You must share DNA with me as Elizabeth Timmis was my great grandmother if she procured Ernest my grandfather.

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Ernest Robins was my grandfather, and i have just had DNA test results, which are 52% English 29.1 % Irish/scottish / welsh.the remainder scandinavian. I wish i knew who his father was. What was Elizabeth or Ernest to you..?

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