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Bedfordshire / Re: Green families farming in the Bolnhurst area. Were they related?
« on: Tuesday 23 February 16 00:19 GMT (UK)  »
I have been mulling over the story of Ann Marriott who married John Green in Gamlingay, Cambridgeshire on 19 May 1818.

  I think it goes like this:

[1] 04 Nov 1741 Robert Marriot married Margaret Pearce in Swavesey, Cambridgeshire; by banns [findmypast]
    and had children William (bapt. 03 Oct 1742), Mary (bapt. 20 Apr 1744), Robert (bapt. 01 Jun 1747)

[2] 12 May 1752 James Marriot was baptised in Swavesey, Cambridgeshire; father Robert, mother Margaret
    Notes: inf [infant?, infirm?] [findmypast]

  Meanwhile ...

[3] 30 Apr 1758 Ann Giddons was baptised in St Peter Church, Boxworth, Cambridgeshire, father Robert Giddons [findmypast]

[4] 02 Jun 1762 Robert Marriot buried in Swavesey, Cambridgeshire [findmypast]
  [the only burial of a Robert Marriott recorded in Swavesey 1749-1789, or indeed anywhere in Cambridgeshire]

  It is possible that James married twice. If so, the first (shotgun?) marriage lasted just nine weeks ...

[5] 10 Sep 1778 James Marrit (BT Marriot) (otp) married Ann Dodson (otp) in Swavesey, Cambridgeshire; by banns [findmypast]

[6] 19 Oct 1778 Thomas Marriot buried in Swavesey, Cambridgeshire; Note: son of James & Ann [findmypast]

[7] 16 Nov 1778 Ann Marriot buried in Swavesey, Cambridgeshire; Note: wife of James [findmypast]

  James then got another lady into trouble ...

[8] 16 Nov 1783 James Marritt Giddings baptised at Boxworth, Cambridgeshire, mother Ann Giddings [findmypast]

  Some time before 1785 James (a farmer, see 12) moved to Great Gransden  ...

[9] 9 oct 1785 marriage James Marritt (bach of Great Gransden) and Ann Giddings (spin otp), in St Peter's Church, Boxworth, Cambs, by licence
  [Phillimore 1909 Cambridgeshire Parish Records v3 p10 has marriage; licence is not in Cambridge Marriage Licences 1594-1979]

  [The Great Gransden Parish Register has just four Marratt records. There is no continuous history of the family there:
   27dec1783  marr Thomas Bannister (X) bach otp and Elizabeth Marrat
   16sep1787  baptism Sarah Marratt d of James [farmer BT] and Ann
   18jul1789  burial Margaret Marrat, widow
   14dec1789  baptism Ann Marratt d of James [farmer BT] and Ann
  ]

[10] 11 Sep 1787 Sarah Marratt baptised in Great Gransden, Hunts; father James Marratt, mother Ann [Great Gransden PR]

[11] 18 Jul 1789 burial of Margaret Marrat, widow [is this Margaret Pearce?] [Great Gransden PR]

[12] 14 Dec 1789 Ann Marratt baptised at Great Gransden, Huntingdonshire, father James Marratt [farmer-BT], mother Ann [Great Gransden PR]

  Then the family moved back to Swavesey ...

[13] 26 Jun 1791 Samuel Marriot baptised in Swavesey, Cambridge; father James Marriot, mother Ann [findmypast]

[14] 11 Jun 1793 James Marriott buried in Swavesey, Cambridgeshire; son of James & Ann [so probably a child] [findmypast]

[15] 12 Jan 1794 Eleanor Marritt baptised in Swavesey, Cambridge; father James Marritt, mother Ann [findmypast]

[16] 26 Jul 1795 James Marriott baptised in Swavesey, Cambridge; father James Marriott, mother Ann [findmypast]

[17] 22 Oct 1797 Joseph Maritt baptised in Swavesey, Cambridge; father James Maritt, mother Ann [findmypast]

[18] 19 May 1818 marriage John Green and Ann Marriott in Gamlingay, Cambridgeshire

[19] 29 Jun 1845 Ann Marriott (formerly Giddons) buried in Bolnhurst, age 87 (born about 1758) [Bolnhurst Burials #180]

[20] 8 Dec 1870 Ann Green (formerly Marriott) buried in Bolnhurst aged 80 (born about 1790) [Bolnhurst Burials #288]

I can't find the death of James Marratt. There is
03 Jun 1846 James Marriott (otp) buried in Swavesey, Cambridgeshire; age 76 (so born about 1770 - the age doesn't look right)

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One Name Studies: N to S / Re: PENNYFATHER, All
« on: Sunday 16 August 15 03:57 BST (UK)  »
Hi. As this thread dates back to 2004, I hope someone is still watching!

It seems that one branch of my family may intersect with the Pennyfathers in 1751. I am confident that we connect to:

 26 Aug 1815 Sarah Bunes born Welwyn, Hertfordshire; father Henry Bunes (Labourer); mother Charlotte

and it seems very likely that her parents were:

Henry Bunts (otp) and Charlotte Mardell (of Welwyn) married in Digswell, Hertfordshire on 16 Jul 1814. Digswell is 1 mile from Welwyn.

It appears that Charlotte was

Charlotte Mardall baptised in Welwyn, Hertfordshire on 15 jun 1794 ; father William and mother Sarah

and that her parents were

William Mardal (otp, makes mark) and Sarah Tingey (otp, makes mark) married on 4 dec 1787 in Welwyn, Hertfordshire.

And it seems very likely that Sarah was

14 Jly 1765 Sarah Tingew baptised in Digswell, Hertfordshire; father Benjamin Tingew, mother Mary.

whose parents were perhaps

27 Oct 1751 marriage Benjn Tingey (of Digswell) and Mary Penneyfather (of Datchworth) in St Albans, Abbey, Hertfordshire.

Is more known about this Mary? It seems reasonable that she was:

31 Dec 1732 Mary Penyfather baptised in All Saints, Hertford, Hertfordshire; father William Penyfather, mother Elizabeth

and married at age 19, Hereford to Welwyn 7 miles.

I can't find a William/Elizabeth marriage but there were two possible Williams:

21 Jly 1700 Will ye son of Edw. & [blank] Pennifeather [baptised in Welwyn, Hertfordshire]

and

22 May 1709 Wm Pennifather baptised in Little Berkhampstead, Hertfordshire; father Wm Pennifather, mother Ann

Little Berkhampstead is 8.5 miles from Welwyn.

Can someone please confirm or refute or shed more light on these people?

Regards
Perthman

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Bedfordshire / Re: Green families farming in the Bolnhurst area. Were they related?
« on: Monday 09 February 15 16:14 GMT (UK)  »
Hello Jackie

Thank you for your message. It sounds like George Cant was Sophia's elder brother. I haven't researched that branch of the family because the Cant's are not in my direct line of descent.

The Little Staughton Baptist graveyard where Sophia is buried is a pretty, peaceful spot, should you ever be in the area. In fact you can do a virtual drive-by of the cemetery on Google Earth these days.
The wonders of the Internet!

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Hampshire & IOW Lookup Requests / Re: Sarah Ann Mathews married at Portsea, 12 August 1827
« on: Friday 24 October 14 03:36 BST (UK)  »
Thank you, Little Nell.

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Hampshire & IOW Lookup Requests / Re: Sarah Ann Mathews married at Portsea, 12 August 1827
« on: Thursday 23 October 14 13:49 BST (UK)  »
Thank you for the references, bearkat. George James Morgan settled down in Chatham and raised a family there, so the resource will be very useful. Do you know if a similar digitised archive exists for Thanet and the area around Deal? Another branch of my family seems to be centered there.

But the Thomas Morgan / Sarah Ann Mathews marriage was in St Marys, Portsea, Hampshire so I'm not sure it helps me over my current hurdle.

Regards

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Hampshire & IOW Lookup Requests / Re: Sarah Ann Mathews married at Portsea, 12 August 1827
« on: Thursday 23 October 14 02:33 BST (UK)  »
Thank you Pennines for going to so much trouble. The difficulty is that both Thomas and George moved around a lot. In 1852 George married a girl from Cumberland.

If I assume that Thomas was aged between 18 and 35 when he married, I get 16,005 hits on Family Search. Sarah Ann may not always have been recorded by her complete name, and filtering by Sarah rather than Sarah Ann still results in scores of hits. So I am looking for a way of sharpening the filter. I wondered if the parish record shows their ages or mentions that Sarah was a minor: that could narrow the field considerably. And I wondered if the marriage was by license, which might still exist.

Nell, in the 1851 Census, George was a drummer in the Marines; age 22; born Thorpe, Suffolk; resident the Royal Marine Barracks, Chatham, Kent.
I gather that the Royal Marines kept good records and I hope to search through them at the National Archives, my next visit to the UK. He joined the Marines before he married, so there may be useful next-of-kin information there.

I can't find a Thomas/Sarah/George family in the 1841 census. By then George would have been 13 so possibly at boarding school. There are possibilities, for example: Morgan George, 13, School Boy Not born in county, at Mayfield House in Hoole. I have no way of telling.

My other hope is that if Thomas really was an excise officer, the 'Entry papers for service as an Excise man' might offer some help. There are two Thomas Morgan's of interest, one dated 1823, the other 1828. I have asked for a quote for copies of the papers from the National Archives but not heard back yet.

Thanks again for your suggestions. They are much appreciated.

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Hampshire & IOW Lookup Requests / Re: Sarah Ann Mathews married at Portsea, 12 August 1827
« on: Wednesday 22 October 14 06:02 BST (UK)  »
Thank you for the suggestion, Pennines.
So far I have not found any daughters - I have not found the family in the 1841 census. I will do some more digging in the census and in the Suffolk parish records.
Regards

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Hampshire & IOW Lookup Requests / Sarah Ann Mathews married at Portsea, 12 August 1827
« on: Tuesday 21 October 14 17:34 BST (UK)  »
Hi.
I am trying to trace the parents of one of my predecessors called George James Morgan.
He was born 09 June 1828 at Aldringham Cum Thorpe, Suffolk; father Thomas Morgan, mother Sarah Ann.

I suspect his parents were Thomas Morgan and Sarah Ann Mathews, married 12 August 1827 at St Marys, Portsea, Hampshire.

I believe Thomas may have been a mariner turned excise agent, who moved about a bit, whereas Sarah was probably a local girl.
(I hope to find out more about Thomas from the records of excise officers in the National Archives).

I have found three local ladies who might possibly be 'the' Sarah:
  2 August 1802 Sarah Matthews baptised at Alverstoke, parents' first names Joseph and Mary [so aged 25 on 12 August 1827],
  3 May 1808 Sarah Mathews baptised at Portchester, parents' first names Thomas and Sarah [19 on 12 Aug 1827], and
 19 Feb 1806 Sarah Ann Matthews christened at St Helens, Isle Of Wight, parents' first names William and Judith [21 on 12 Aug 1827].

Of course, it may be none of these ladies; there were several more Sarah Matthews in Hampshire and many more throughout England.

Would someone please check the 1827 marriage entry in the parish register to see if Sarah's age or father's name is there? Or if the marriage was by license, in which I might find some more information?

Many thanks in anticipation.
Perthman.

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Bedfordshire / Re: Green families farming in the Bolnhurst area. Were they related?
« on: Wednesday 19 March 14 15:23 GMT (UK)  »
To answer my own question: the Titchmarsh PR rules this out: it has 6 Nov 1743 marriage William Green & Hannah Baxter botp; 22 Nov 1745 baptism Mary d/o Wm and Hannah Green; 31 May 1748 baptism Hannah d/o Wm and Hannah Green; but no baptism of a William Green jnr. Presumably, had they had a son they would have baptised him.

The Community Contributed IGI lists 13 William Green/Ann marriages throughout England during 1740-1746 but most were in locations a long way from Nether Dean. Any one of them is possible but Green is a common name and all are probably irrelevant.

The Community Contributed IGI does mention one other marriage in Northants: 20 April 1741 William Green of Woodford, Northamptonshire (birth: about 1715) married Ann Coleman at Eydon, Northamptonshire. This looked promising because although Eydon is about 40 miles from Nether Dean, Woodford is near Thrapston. However the Eydon PR has 20 Apr 1741 marriage William GREEN otp to Ann COLEMAN otp. So the Woodford is presumably Woodford Halse, not Woodford by Thrapston. Hard to see why the couple would move the 40 miles to the Nether Dean area.

The only other prospect at this stage is William Green, birth: 4 Nov 1745, christening: 4 January 1754 Holywell-cum-Needingworth, Huntingdon, father: William Green. The father is not baptising infants and the birth date is close. No mother's name recorded.

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