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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Help in understanding records - Thomas BARTLEY b1835
« on: Wednesday 28 February 18 06:02 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: Bartley Roy on Tuesday 27 February 18 16:57 GMT (UK)
Hello Alirat,
I too am trying to nail down Captain Plumb/Bartley as well as his father, also a Thomas, and his grandfather, perhaps called Francis. Was 'Captain' in fact a sobriquet for 'first mate'? Have you seen his portrait on Ancestry? Thomas's son, Thomas Edwin, who was born in 1861, himself became a sailor at the age of 14. At the Merseyside Maritime Museum there is a document dated 1880 referring to TE's transfer to the ship 'The Empire' which states that his father had been washed overboard and gives the father's occupation as that of 'sailor' rather than 'captain'. Have you found anything else about him and what are your family's stories regarding him. All the best, Roy

Hi Roy

I have seen that portrait on ancestry and have attached it to 'my' Thomas Bartley, although I am not convinced that it belongs.  My ancestors around that era were poor folk, not the sort to have a painting done, unless of course he did become a captain - which I have found no evidence of. I haven't paid my sub to ancestry so cannot check at the moment - I will pay again soon.  My Thomas  Bartley/Plumb was married to Esther Cherry (there were a lot of Esther Cherry's at that time) and I have his father as Thomas Bartley married to Margeret Plumb. Margaret was also married to a Thomas Kent and they had a daughter Margaret Kent.  Anyway I will DM you with my email. I haven't had time to spend on this for a while, will get back into it soon.

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Help in understanding records - Thomas BARTLEY b1835
« on: Tuesday 27 February 18 19:14 GMT (UK)  »
Hello Roy - very pleased to meet you. I also think First Mate was the highest rank Thomas rose to, having seen some of the documents.  I am about to rush off to work but would love to share what I have, and am fascinated about the info from the Merseyside Maritime museum.  Verbal history in our family said he was a captain, (of a slave ship) but it does appear that was exaggerated.  I will DM you when I get back from work and send my email address.  Kind regards, Alison.

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New Zealand Completed Requests / Re: David Kennedy Hutchison and Grace Adams
« on: Monday 25 January 16 18:41 GMT (UK)  »
David Kennedy Hutchison and Grace Adams are my children' s ancestors (my ex-husbands ancestors) and I have been trying to glean the story of The Stanley for many years, having heard it from another relative who does considerable genealogy research. Hopefully can PM someone and compare notes.

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: John Youdan Briggs b.1903
« on: Sunday 28 December 14 22:43 GMT (UK)  »
I do indeed. Duh. Too much Christmas cheer. Edited the post to change from 1729 to 1629.

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: John Youdan Briggs b.1903
« on: Sunday 28 December 14 21:28 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: Alirat153 on Saturday 04 January 14 22:08 GMT (UK)

He was knighted in 1929 by Charles I and in the turmoil of Oliver Cromwells takeover work appears to cease. He did propose a treaty between the Dutch and English to Cromwell (not sure of details) so he seemed to stay involved with the leading figures in England.

Of course I meant 1629! Just reread this and saw my typo...ooops. I can't go back and edit such an old post, maybe a moderator could?

Edited to put the date I meant.. What a wally I am.

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Family Bibles / Re: Youdan Family of York
« on: Saturday 27 December 14 21:31 GMT (UK)  »
I am researching Youdans also, and hoping some of those earlier posters are still around. My grandfather was John Youdan Briggs and his father was also John Youdan Briggs.  Because of the family habit of using Youdan as a middle name, my mother (now 86) began researching this many years ago and we have assembled some info - but have raised more questions than were answered. My mother met another Youdan descendant and learned a lot of oral family history, including the fact there was an alleged fortune somewhere.  I cannot corroborate the verbal history that Sarah Youdan married Joseph Briggs (I have a marriage with the name Sarah Fletcher) but all the children had the middle name Youdan. It does appear that Sarah had a child called Harriet who lived with Samuel and Ann (presumably) Sarah's parents. Harriet (b.1926) appears in censuses as Harriet Briggs and the Harriet Youdan (1841 and 1851). She keeps the name Youdan and marries Robert Masey or Macey.
Lots of family secrets it seems. I'd love to see if anyone else has info - and would love to see the family bible the OP talks about.

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: John Youdan Briggs b.1903
« on: Thursday 25 December 14 10:57 GMT (UK)  »
Hi - I haven't been here for a while!  I have contacted the person. I am new to Rootschat too and haven't posted very much...

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Help in understanding records - Thomas BARTLEY b1835
« on: Friday 10 January 14 00:56 GMT (UK)  »
Right I see it now. The Bartleys of Kersley Lancashire are not in the same family at all.  I had seen the Kent marriage but dismissed it, but of course that brings all the pieces together. 

Thanks so much for your assistance.  You don't happen to know if the criminal records can be tied to a person's age in any way do you?  Thomas Bartley of the many Larcenys seems too busy being in jail to be fathering a family with Sarah Esther Cherry nee Styles.  Besides, there is a Thomas Bartley larceny that precedes 1836, so perhaps I can rest assured that my ancestor was a hard working honest sailor.  ;)

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Help in understanding records - Thomas BARTLEY b1835
« on: Thursday 09 January 14 19:28 GMT (UK)  »
Gosh - two heads are better than one!  I can't write a full reply because I have to dash out to work (8.30am here in New Zealand) but I have printed out some of the handwritten censusesto try and decipher who was where and living with who. For example I have the family listed as BURKY in the 1871 census - living with Esther Cherry's Sister and Thomas being listed as a sailor.  Maybe it is indeed the father Thomas b1810 that is the fly in my ointment and where I have made a mistake. 

Thanks so much for your kind assistance - don't think my lack of reply is non interest. Only boring stuff like work getting in the way.

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