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Perthshire / Re: Where is Cragganfearne? Looking for info on the Laird - Fleming
« on: Saturday 17 September 05 04:17 BST (UK)  »
LUV

Ontchick is right. And I have been searching for Laird Cragganfearn's christian name too. The few things that you both are missing though. Looking outside the box.
I mean: Cragganfearn was of course named after the area that he took care of. Back then you had to pay dues to the church for burial and baptism, in order for these occasions to put into the books. I mean Parish records. If no money, no recorded birth, no recorded death. Also, remember that the Jacobites war has been going on and the clans are coming together to fight for "freedom". Nearly 3000 Fleming's fought throughout the Jacobites war. If the mother's were left behind with children, they may of had to flee there homes. Hide. This may not be the case for Cragganfearn, but then again it may. His first name may have purposely vanished. I have found parish records of a Donald Fleming and Isobel Robertson baptising their 3 children in Perthshire, Tullimet.  A John b 1767, Alexander b. 1770 and Janet b. 1772. This seems to fit. Laird Cragganfearn named his son after himself most likely. Therefore, Laird Cragganfearn quite possible could be named John born in same area, but in 1767 and had a brother that had children, who later married Douglas daughters. Cragganfearn Fleming marrying either a Douglas or Robertson (most likely Robertson) taking on the 270 acre land (that was in the family for 3 generations). The reason I mention Douglas or Robertson. I spoke with Jane at Blair Castle and she has documents showing who leased that 270 acres. She stated that no Fleming leased it, but 1st a Alex Douglas and 2nd a James Robertson. I believe James is Isobel Robertson's father and Laird Cragganfearn married into the land. Alot makes sense to me but I cannot prove it without a doubt. That's were you come in. You may be able to help. We may be able to help each other. Email: Moderator comment: Address removed to prevent spamming - please use the personal message facility to exchange e-mail addresses.  Thank You ! Tahni

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Perthshire / Re: Laird of Cragganfearn Fleming
« on: Saturday 17 September 05 03:55 BST (UK)  »
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Please email me too!!! I think that we may be able to help one another with information too. email: (*)

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Perthshire / Re: Laird of Cragganfearn Fleming
« on: Saturday 17 September 05 03:53 BST (UK)  »
Curlytop is not me. I don't know what happened with that, while I was registering. I am tsm at email: (*)

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Perthshire / Re: Laird of Cragganfearn Fleming
« on: Saturday 17 September 05 03:52 BST (UK)  »
To Ontchick

I live in New Jersey. I moved from Washington state. MY mother is the daughter of Helen Fleming. Helen was the grand daughter of James Fleming and Grace Robertson, who were born in Perthshire Scotland and immigrated over to settle in Ontario Canada. Springfield to be exact. James was the grand son of John Fleming b. about 1769 Cragganfearn Perthshire Scotland. Laird Cragganfearn Fleming being his father. I have suspected Cragganfearn's Christian name, his siblings and his parents, but I cannot quite make it fit. Parish records are giving me a different DOB, area and the land Cragganfearn (according to Jane at Blair Castle) was leased by an Alex Douglas and James Robertson. Names farmiliar huh? Families usually intermarried between each other and these names intertwine with the Flemings. I beleive that the reason why it is believed that, that land was in the family for three generations is because Laird Cragganfearn Fleming married into either the Robertson or Douglas line, therefore taking on the land and then later passing the torch(in a way) back to Laird Douglas (possibly a brother in law). Note that: Laird Douglas' two daughters married Fleming cousin's. Which leads me to belive that John had a brother or Laird Cragganfearn had a brother. I have been doing extensive research and have alot of information, but could use more. I would like to trade all my information on my line, for information of your line. I think we will end up finding that we are in some way distant cousins. I have FamilyTree maker and can email you what I have. Write back.
Tahni

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