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Lancashire / Re: St-Joseph RC Cemetery, Moston
« on: Friday 10 November 06 15:49 GMT (UK)  »
Thank you Kath!
I could not have done all that without your help!
Big hugs!!
jacques

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Lancashire / Re: St-Joseph RC Cemetery, Moston
« on: Friday 10 November 06 14:41 GMT (UK)  »
Hello everybody!

Just to keep you informed, I received the birth certificate of Hetty Howard, and yes!! my grandmother Mary Howard had a younger sister!  She was not sent to Canada to be adopted cause in 1901, she is living with her aunt Elizabeth Malone-Summersgil and is 14 years old.
I am now trying to find out if she married someone... it would mean that she has grand-children my age  living today....
I also received the birth certificate of Mary Ellen Malone-Howard, my grand-mother's mother; it confirms also the maiden nam of her mother: Mary Dunn.
I know now that Wiiliam Malone and Mary Dunn are my G-G grand-parents on the Malone side.
From the 1871 census, it said that William came fron Ireland, county Cork, and Mary Dunn from Ireland, county Queens. I don't know if the were married in Ireland or in Manchester..... All their children are said to be born in Manchester.  Work ahead...  :D  In 1861, Wiiliam is 35 years old, Mary 28, and the eldest child John is 13 and Mary Ellen 9 years old. and William is a shoemaker.

I finally found the birth certificate of James Howard, my grand mother's father!!  It confirms the maiden name of his mother: Mary Ann Reynolds, born around 1802. So I know now that John Howard (warper, b. around 1801) and Mary Ann Reynolds are the parents of James Howard my g-grandfather. (b. in 1839) The oldest child of John and Mary, Josiah Howrd,  is said to be born around 1833... I am now looking for the marriage certificate of John Howard and Mary Ann Reynolds, around 1830-32 ...  work ahead again  :D

Thank you again very much to all you out there who are so dedicated in helping people like me find their roots in England!!

regards

jacques fortier, Province of Quebec, Canada





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Laois (Queens) / William MALONEY and Mary DUNN
« on: Thursday 09 November 06 19:21 GMT (UK)  »
Hello everybody!

I am trying to find the marriage certificate of those two, my GGgrand parents; they came from Ireland, county Cork ( William) and Queens ( Mary).I don't know if they were married in Ireland or in Lancashire. In 1861, they were living in Manchester; William was around 35 years old at that time and Mary Dunn, 28. In 1861, the oldest child was 13 years old. According to the 1861 census, all the children were born in Manchester.  William was  a shoemaker.

They had seven children: John, Mary Ellen ( my great grandmother who married James Howard in 1881), William, Elizabet-A ( who married Jonathan Summergils in 1875), Joseph, James and Daniel (or Dennis).

If you are descendants of these people, please contact me.... Thank you very much!!
Regards

jacques

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Cork / William MALONEY and Mary DUNN
« on: Thursday 09 November 06 19:19 GMT (UK)  »
Hello everybody!

I am trying to find the marriage certificate of those two, my GGgrand parents; they came from Ireland, county Cork ( William) and Queens ( Mary).I don't know if they were married in Ireland or in Lancashire. In 1861, they were living in Manchester; William was around 35 years old at that time and Mary Dunn, 28. In 1861, the oldest child was 13 years old. According to the 1861 census, all the children were born in Manchester.  William was  a shoemaker.

They had seven children: John, Mary Ellen ( my great grandmother who married James Howard in 1881), William, Elizabet-A ( who married Jonathan Summergils in 1875), Joseph, James and Daniel (or Dennis).

If you are descendants of these people, please contact me.... Thank you very much!!
Regards

jacques

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Lancashire / Re: St-Joseph RC Cemetery, Moston
« on: Thursday 19 October 06 20:27 BST (UK)  »
hello Kathleen

With the reference you gave me on the possible birth of Mary Ellen Malone, I ordered the certificate!! and Bingo !! It's the right one!
She was born on the tenth of December 1851 at 39 Cotton Street in Ancoats. Her father is William Maloney and her mother: Mary Maloney, formely DUNN

I think it gives us more information on her marital status in 1881; we can presume that she is probably a widow ( to be checked out) and living with a Mr Thomas DUNN 56 years old at 96 Pearson St. in Manchester. Mary Maloney is 50 years old. So Mr Dunn is probably her brother... or a cousin ??? More research needed here, but we know more now...

Now I can look for the marriage of William Maloney( Mullowney, Mullaney,Malone) from Ireland Cork  and Mary Dunn from Ireland Queens' County.


Thank you again everybody, and you Kathleen!

Regards

jacques

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Lancashire / Re: St-Joseph RC Cemetery, Moston
« on: Friday 06 October 06 23:40 BST (UK)  »
Hello Kath

would it be possible to see a scan of the 1891 and 1861 census where you took the information you gave me? I am asking for two reasons
In 1891, I would like to see the name of "May" or Mary Howard

and in 1861, I would like to see the entry of "Mary", cause you said "it looks as though it first was 'Henry' and  then crossed out"  I would like to study that carefully!! lol

Thank you so much!

regards

jacques

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Lancashire / Re: St-Joseph RC Cemetery, Moston
« on: Friday 06 October 06 18:07 BST (UK)  »
Hello Kath
When my grandmother arrived in Quebec in 1893 on the SS.Circassian, she was put on a train with other children, and the train stopped at each train station where  people would pick up a child as they wish!!The train stopped at Victoriaville, and the owner of the Grand Union Hotel( the first class hotel at that time according to newspapers), mr. Jean-Thomas Samson, said " I want the little red haired girl"" and it was my grandmother!! She was lucky cause they were a very good family.

 Mr Thomas Samson had only one daughter, Mathilda, older than little Mary.  I am still in contact with the daughter -in law of Mathilda, mrs Marguerite Kiropuac-Beaudet in Victoriaville; she is over 80 years old, and she gave me the wedding picture of Mary( I had never seen it) , and a picture of Mary and my mother when she was 1 year old ( the oldest picture of my mother  I had was  when she was 6 or 7 years old)! What a joy to find that!!
The Samsom-Beaudet tradition doesn't say that my grandmother arrived to Canada by mistake; our version was new to mrs Kirouac-Beaudet... which is the right one? lol

Thanks for your message.

have a nice day Kath!!
regards

jacques



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Lancashire / our family tradition about little Mary
« on: Friday 06 October 06 05:06 BST (UK)  »
Hello again everybody

My mother always told me that her mother (Mary Howard) had arrived in Canada by mistake; she probably heard that story from Mary Howard herself... She was not supposed to leave the country. But one day, when she saw her friends going on the boat, she followed them  and it's only after the boat had left that someone realized that she was on board   and should not have been... 

She was only 8 years old, old enough to follow her friends, but not old enough to realise that  she was doing something she would not be able to undo... One thing that could corroborate that is the fact that her possible sister Hettie, whos is living with her in 1891 at  their grandfather Malone's  house  is still in England with family in 1901. Someone told me one day that in those days, families would help each other and be there for the other. Now that we know that my grandmother was not in an orphanage after her mother's death in May 1890 but with her grandfather Malone, and uncle John and Joseph, and with sister Hettie, it's easier to belive that she came by mistake, and not that nobody in the family wanted her...
I still have to work on that... I made a request to the Bernardo organization... but it could take a while before receiving an answer; but if they don't have a file on her... it could maybe mean that she came by mistake...
 we will know one day!

thanks  for reading my topo and helping me go further in my investigation!

Regards

jacques


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Lancashire / william/Henry Malone??
« on: Friday 06 October 06 04:38 BST (UK)  »
Hello Ken and Kath!!
Thanks for your informations!!
 I checked the Free BMD and I found that from 1838 to 1850, 4,175 boys were given the name William Henry!! So could it be possible that Wiiliam Malone is the same man as Henry Malone?  The age would fit, as well as the place of birth....

I would also say that it is the same man, cause in 1891, John ,44years old, and Joseph 26 are both noted as his sons...If Henry was an uncle...they would have written nephew; and we also see that Mary Howard and Hettie Howard are called grand-daughters... and the same goes for Mary Summersgill ...  So we have 5 written proofs that Henry is the same man as William.

Was the Mary living with Thomas Dunn , William's wife? I would think so..... is she having an affair with her husband's collegue? Thomas is also a shoemaker... Is Wiiliam away , sick or on his own  for a while, or with somebody else...
Why in the  1881 census are the seven children of William and Mary from 1871 almost all called step sons? Was the status of a person living in the house determined in regards to the Head of the household?  If so, it would also mean that thomas' Mary is Wiiliam.s wife...
But I still have a lot of work to do; I ordered six  birth certificates tonight...  we will have results in a couple of weeks!!
And I thank you also Kath for the 1901 census where Hettie Howard is living at her mother's sister, Elizabeth A Summersgill...   I am waiting to find out if the Harriet Howard, born 1886 Manchester 8d,296 is my grandmother's little sister...
But if Hettie was still in England in 1901, why was her sister Mary ( my grandmother) sent to Canada to be adopted?  This Hettie may confirm our family tradition about my grandmother arriving to Canada by mistake...
Let's keep working  and thanks again for your support!!
regards

jacques




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