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Aberdeenshire / Re: Erm, is this bizarre? 1861 Fraserburgh Census question
« on: Tuesday 14 April 15 16:25 BST (UK)  »
Hey Jen,

Close not Lane? I'll take a look. I'm not mad, it does say John Noble's Lane in the image I have above right?

warm regards,
Austin

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Aberdeenshire / Re: Erm, is this bizarre? 1861 Fraserburgh Census question
« on: Tuesday 14 April 15 01:27 BST (UK)  »
I have examined more closely a copy of the 1865 Valuation records which MAY assist.
Please tell me what you think. About the attached record I can say this: they seem to jump around. That is between 3 Braeheads and number 4 we find an address in Duke Street, then 4 Braeheads then Fishcross Street then Broad Street,  Braeheads again and so on. The organisation seems not to follow a path as much as it correlates to ownership. So John Bobbins Noble has his properties listed then the widow's Noble, then William Noble "Bildie", Mariner, Then William Noble, a draper of Broad St, and so on.
So far as I can tell the neighbouring houses on the 1861 Census with Widow's in them (Barbara Noble 46 in 1861 and next door Elizabeth Noble 51 in 1861) both Braeheads could match with the 1865 No's 2 & 3 Braeheads. Making them, respectively Barbara, widow of John Noble, and Elizabeth, widow of Peter Noble.
I have checked John "Bobbins" Noble's sons, and he did have a son John, who predeceased him, but in 1862 (at sea, off the coast of Africa, from all that I can tell.) So neither this John, or Peter, were his sons. Neither were the widows his daughters, which doesn't preclude their being related, of course, but doesn't enable me to narrow them down yet.
Enjoy the handwriting.
Austin

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Aberdeenshire / Re: Erm, is this bizarre? 1861 Fraserburgh Census question
« on: Tuesday 14 April 15 00:19 BST (UK)  »
Hi, I haven't checked the enumerator page, (think that would cost more on Scotlandspeople), but I'm happy to go with coincidence. What is confusing me is whether this is the John Noble who died in 1865, resident at Shore Street, husband of an Ann Sim. It seems likely, although there is an age disparity of a handful of years. I do know that a furious court battle raged after he passed away (John Bobbins Noble, that is, reported as 80 years old at death in 1865) between one of his surviving sons and a grandson of 'disputed' legitimacy. An age of 76 would make sense given the other census ages for 1851 and 1841, making a death in 1865 at age 80 plausible, and I think that Ann Sim was a couple of years older than John, so she could have been 78 in 1861, but 86 for both of them is confusing me further. Of course this could be another John and Ann Noble of approximately similar ages at a most proximate address.
I have also consulted street maps. (aren't they gorgeous?!) With no luck, except to determine that Braeheads does run on from Shore Street.
Thank you all folks,
austin

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Aberdeenshire / Erm, is this bizarre? 1861 Fraserburgh Census question
« on: Monday 13 April 15 23:35 BST (UK)  »
I am attaching a crop of an image to illustrate my question. It comes from the 1861 Census for Fraserburgh. You will note the , perhaps familiar, Braeheads, but also "John Nobles Lane" Now I have a John Noble (Bobbins) who passed away in 1865, married to an Ann Sim, resident then (1865) in Shore Street. Which appears to me to be something that Braeheads is a part of, or vice versa. I can find no evidence of a John Nobles Lane and so wonder if the enumerator spontaneously started naming rows, lanes and such after noted inhabitants (In this case for their age perhaps.)
Just above we can see "Robert Ritchie's Close", although no Robert Ritchie at the address there...
I'm lost folks ???, does anyone know the answer? Is there even a cogent question in there?  :)

warm regards to cousins, extended family, and all others,
Austin

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Aberdeenshire / Re: Houses in Broadsea
« on: Saturday 11 April 15 14:24 BST (UK)  »
Looking online, the alleged date of birth for Andrew Noble (Senior "bobbin") is around 1745. I derive this from the sites mentioned earlier in this thread, and ancestry tres. Many of those have him born in the 1740's and dying in 1865! Saying that I am surprised to note the number of people who have included parents born AFTER their children in their ancestry trees! What I wouldn't give to have access to the original Broadsea parish records. Think I need a long, long 'holiday' in 'Bredsea' and the 'Broch'!
Best wishes to all,
Austin

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Aberdeenshire / Re: Houses in Broadsea
« on: Friday 10 April 15 21:39 BST (UK)  »
That seems eminently logical, great spot!
Hope everyone is well. Does anyone know when Andrew Bobin/Bobbin(s) Noble died? On ancestry a number of people have his death in the 1860's which means a death certificate should exist...which would be most handy. I've been working down the descendant lines of John Bobbins Noble, brother of George my direct ancestor, and have uncovered some interesting stories.
Best wishes,
Austin

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Aberdeenshire / Re: Houses in Broadsea
« on: Saturday 28 March 15 17:36 GMT (UK)  »
Tee Names (also known as To-Names) have a history dating back until at least the 1790's as evidenced by the following account (attached). Note that some familiar Broadsea names will crop up. Again, I believe that this will assist a number of us.
By the by, if anyone else is searching for the Shankey/Shankie Noble branch, then seek me out. I have tales to tell!
Austin

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Aberdeenshire / Re: Houses in Broadsea
« on: Friday 27 March 15 02:34 GMT (UK)  »
Thank you Monica, Jen was already more conversant than I and sent me a message.
Further to the Valuation Records transcription I thought to take a look at wills of Broadsea folk from that period until 1925. The following attachment provides some additional insight into the fate of a handful of them.
I hope it assists someone.
Best wishes,
Austin

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Aberdeenshire / Re: Houses in Broadsea
« on: Thursday 26 March 15 17:09 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Jen, I think I can send an invite to an email address for you. I'm aware of the sensitive nature of posting an email address, and would counsel against it, but are you able to message me via ancestry? You can sign up for free, I think, giving you a username. From there I can invite yo via a username. Alternately, if you locate me through facebook and PM me an email address, then I can send you an invite, and I guess that you could PM me through here too. Just occurred to me!
Best wishes,
Austin

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