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London & Middlesex Lookup Requests / Re: Missing a Marshall born 1885/6 Camberwell
« on: Sunday 02 December 18 21:32 GMT (UK)  »

or St Andrews Hospital!
Says renamed in 1920.
https://ezitis.myzen.co.uk/standrewsbow.html


Thanks Jon, it is somehow slightly comforting he died in a relatively 'modern' hospital rather than an asylum.  For what it's worth, despite being abandoned as a child he seems to have found stable work, lived steadily for at least 9 years, joined the army, and then had 6 years of marriage with Sarah.  Despite the circumstances, seems he was of sound mind.  Alice, not so...?  Yet he put her as next of kin... but maybe because he had noone else?

All, appreciate the continue efforts to find Alice!

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London & Middlesex Lookup Requests / Re: Missing a Marshall born 1885/6 Camberwell
« on: Sunday 02 December 18 17:52 GMT (UK)  »
Still looking out for Alice Mary Ann Marshall, bearing in mind from baptismal records we know here ate of birth
On Ancestry family trees there is a very interesting entry, using baptism records for this child but completely different research to what we have been searching for, hopefully one the postees would like to have a look including watsonbrown, what do you all think?

Louisa Maud

Hi Louisa, I don't follow, what did you find on Ancestry?  I do question everything I find on Ancestry, many users do tend to link the first thing Ancestry hints and that can make for some crazy assumptions!

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In other news, I received James Marshall's death certificate this weekend.  It confirms the informant a Sarah Marshall and their Malmesbury Road Bow Address, so definitely the same James.  The date : December 1926.  Location of death given as 73A Devons Road.

I thought aha!  An address! I must find out who lived there!  I been searching the 1911 Census to see who lived at that address 73A Devons Road Poplar, in case any Marshalls were there at that time!  I found plenty of the address Devons Road, firstly, all the even numbers, lovely.  Then I realised they were just even numbers... no odd numbers anywhere.  Deep breath, try again.  Found a random entry for an odd numbered Devons Road address, and flipped a few pages from there.  All looked good, 83, 81, 79, 77, 75.... then suddenly another road!  I couldn't believe it!

I had found out that 73 Devons Road (not 73A) was actually the address of an old pub:
https://pubshistory.com/LondonPubs/Bromley/DukeEdinburgh.shtml

Aha!  Lets find that on the 1911 census, surely 73A would be the next entry....  oh but no, it would be the very first entry of the 3rd District...  Obviously it was right on the border.  Checked the last of the previous district and the next district... oh the frustration.

Long story short, couldn't find 73A Devons Road Poplar in the 1911 Census.

Searching the internet generally, I discovered that this address was actually a hospital/asylum:
https://www.british-genealogy.com/threads/13806-Poplar-amp-Stepney-Sick-Asylum

Indeed, a few internet searches told me many died at 73A Devons Road, it is not a residential address.

So I can confirm James definitely died 1926, but none the wiser about Alice.  I must say, I am happy we solved the James mystery, and thank you and all for that.  Very glad, however we have a new mystery that is whatever happened to his sister, Alice.  I do believe she existed, and is the brother of James with James Snr. and Mary Ann as the parents, given the scholar, birth and baptism records.

I do suspect she died, unmarried and childless, between 1915 and 1920, in the asylum, but would be good to show that.  I wonder, that if in 1914/5 when James was registered in the army, it did actually refer to the asylum, given he had noone else being abandoned by his parents...

Anyone any ideas on possible routes I could go down from here to close this one off?

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London & Middlesex Lookup Requests / Re: Missing a Marshall born 1885/6 Camberwell
« on: Friday 30 November 18 12:38 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks Louisa. Maggy was a hopeful tangent but a funny coincidence to find a London-born Marshall in Eastbourne of the same age not living with her parents.

I've not come across a John Marshall yet so does appear to rule her out.

We keep trying!

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London & Middlesex Lookup Requests / Re: Missing a Marshall born 1885/6 Camberwell
« on: Thursday 29 November 18 22:26 GMT (UK)  »
Can we find out who Margaret Everest married to become Mrs Marshall?

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London & Middlesex Lookup Requests / Re: Missing a Marshall born 1885/6 Camberwell
« on: Wednesday 28 November 18 19:22 GMT (UK)  »
My excitement quickly died down when I realised we already have a maiden name Hummerston for Alice, and the Marshalls were all born in Essex so....  boo!

But... but but but... ah I'm overthinking trying to find an explanation.  I need a rest from it lol

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London & Middlesex Lookup Requests / Re: Missing a Marshall born 1885/6 Camberwell
« on: Wednesday 28 November 18 19:07 GMT (UK)  »
Ok so this might be a long shot but I shall keep trying :)

I found a Maggy Marshall in Eastbourne... aged 18 in the 1901 census.
Sussex > Eastbourne > District 12
Piece 881 Folio 19 Page number 29
Schedule 181 at 18 Pevensey Road
Head is a William Everest and Emma Everest.   Maggy is a cousin and in-laws also listed with surnames Pierce and Ayers....  with births in London.

So... if we can find an Everest / Pierce / Ayes related to James/Alice (that is James Marshall senior or Mary Ann's maiden name) then I think we have the jig-saw complete.  Am I thinking that right?

It would make sense if there was a cousin the same age in Eastbourne to help out.... the parents may have abandoned them but surely the aunts and uncles would have a part to play.

Equally keen to rule that out if not the case.

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London & Middlesex Lookup Requests / Re: Missing a Marshall born 1885/6 Camberwell
« on: Wednesday 28 November 18 17:35 GMT (UK)  »
According to online tree Rose died Eastbourne 1961

Jennifer

I found a potential Alice match in the 1901 census as a servant:
Sussex > Eastbourne > District 08 > Schedule 110
Piece 880 Folio 39 Page number 22
Heads are Joseph and Fanny Willmott of 9 Wellington Square.

Perhaps Alice and Rose moved to Eastbourne together, and she wasn't a witness of the 1920 wedding because of distance...


Thoughts??  I really cannot find much else!

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One Name Studies: A to G / Re: Browns from Southend/Prittlewell/Paglesham
« on: Wednesday 28 November 18 14:31 GMT (UK)  »
Hi,

Despite being a fairly common name, I am quite surprised I could not find a single William Brown in my tree.... yet....

Bear with me as I try flush this tree branch out a bit more - do check back in a couple of weeks.

Do your Browns have any link to the Blue Boar pub in Prittlewell?  It's well known for its history and for the football club fans, but I am told we used to own it at one point!  Sadly not anymore, but turns out in times gone by my Browns were mostly Publicans with a pub also in Northants.

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London & Middlesex Lookup Requests / Re: Missing a Marshall born 1885/6 Camberwell
« on: Wednesday 28 November 18 01:44 GMT (UK)  »
Sorry avm, you are quite right, and thank you too.  Also in the baptism.

I find it so hard to believe James, Alice and Rose were all abandoned.  Presumably there was no money to bring them up, or perhaps a (very big!) family feud.  It does sound like at least the mother wanted to register them, and carry on her name.  And for three children in quick succession.  The 1880s certainly an eventful time for the Marshalls!

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