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Down / Re: Bell Family of Drumgath, Rathfriland
« on: Saturday 06 October 18 22:31 BST (UK)  »
Hi Ed:
William and Alexander Bell of Drumlough.
I have documented from 1769 Freeholder Records through to 1929 PRONI Valuation Records.  There were other Bell families in the same area but I just focused on the land #7 James/William Bell to Isaac and Susan Irvine; and #37 Alexander & Samuel Bell to John A Bell to William Bell.

Maybe something will help you track your family.

Bells of Drumlough
Records in chronological order for the earliest to the latest Bell families in Drumlough.
1769   Freeholder List: (first record in Drumlough)
#363  Alexander Bell
#368  John Bell (rejected)
#369  James Bell
#370  William Bell
1789   Freeholder List: (second registration & addition of their sons)
#824  William Bell
#825  Alexander Bell
#826  Samuel
#827  James
PRONI Freeholder records
Lease of Lives in a Deed indicates usually three lives of children /grandchildren of the person taking the lease.  The lease expired when all three named had died.
1813 Joseph Bell      - Lives of James, Joseph & James Bell)
   James Bell        -(Lives of James Bell)
1815   William Bell    - (Lives of Alex Bell, Joseph Morrow & Margaret Bell)
   James Bell            - (Lives of John & Samuel Bell & John Donaldson)
   John Bell            - (Lives of James & Isabella Bell & John Woods)
1823   James Bell            - (Lives of John & Samuel Bell & John Donaldson)
   William Bell    - (Lives of Alexander Bell, Joseph Morrow & Margaret Bell)
   John Bell            - (Lives of John & Samuel Bell & John Donaldson)
   John Bell            - (Lives of James & Isabella Bell & John Woods)
1864   The records then jump to 1864 with the Griffith’s Valuation Records:
#7   Drumlough      - James Bell     19A 2R 35P
#37 Drumlough      - Alexander Bell     3A 1 R 25P
                                  John Bell, Grocer    1P 20R

#7   Valuation Records of James Bell     19A 2R 35P
1866   Changes from James Bell to William Bell
1893   Changes from William Bell (d. 23 May 1892) to Isaac Irvine
1895   Changes from Isaac Irvine to Wm. & Joseph Bell
1913   Split into two sections A & B
     7A Isaac Irvine changes to Susan Irvine
     7B Joseph Bell/William Bell changes to James McCartney 1916 then to John Graham 1920
1924     7A Susan Irvine changes to Elizabeth A. Annett
     7B John Graham
1923/  7A Elizabeth Annett
1929     7B John Graham
Note: 1911 Census Isaac and Susan Irvine’s name is spelled Irwin.  They are registered in Drumlough with their daughters Martha and Elizabeth (Lizzie).

#37   Valuation Records for Alexander Bell   3A 1R 25P
1866   a)  Alexander Bell
   b)  John Bell (Grocer)   House and garden – changed in 1878 to Alexander & Samuel Bell
        Changed in 1886 to John A. Bell
1895   a)  Alex Bell to Elizabeth Bell
   b)  Alex Bell & John A. Bell to Reps. 1896 (d. 9 Sep. 1895)
1907      John A. Bell to William Bell
1920-23 William Bell
1923-29 William  Bell


Dalzell

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Down / Re: Bell Family of Drumgath, Rathfriland
« on: Saturday 06 October 18 00:09 BST (UK)  »
Hi Ed:
RE: Alexander Bell m. Elizabeth Donaldson 30 April, 1857 (estimated birth dates 1834).  Their marriage was listed as Drumgath (Rathfriland) and the registration was listed as Rathfriland, Newry.  I went through the records for 2nd and 3rd Rathfriland Church to see if I could locate them for you, but unfortunately did not find them.  You may not find them on the 1901 Census as they would be in their late 60's and perhaps no longer alive.

RE: William Bell   I found a 2nd Church record in 1825 for William Bell & Mary Park having their 5th child, but no other records of the previous children so perhaps they moved from another Church.  No way to tell if this Wm. is connected.

RE: Joseph Bell   I found a 2nd Church record for Joseph Bell & xxx McKee baptising their first daughter in Jan. 1863, which would indicate they were married in 1862.  Family search does show Joseph Bell (son of Joseph) marrying Mary Ann McKee in Jan. 1862 in Drumgath.  No way to know if they are connected to your family.
Perhaps having these additional names will open some new sources.
It is a difficult process and the records are hard to find.  I wish you good luck.

I will keep search for you and perhaps something further will show up.

Dalzell.


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United States of America / Re: Margaret McClelland
« on: Sunday 02 September 18 16:13 BST (UK)  »
Hi:  I have been researching the McClelland family of Articlave that my mother descended from.  I have come across Robert Pattison McClelland who was born in 1844 in Articlave.  On Ancestry there is a lady from Portstewart, Orreen Yates who is a grand-daughter of Robert Pattison McClelland, who may have additional information about this family.  I have not yet found a connection to my 2x great grandfather William McClelland 1797-1867 and his wife Mary Dunlop 1807-1883, however, maybe in the future we will find that connection.  Lorna

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United States of America / Re: Margaret McClelland
« on: Wednesday 05 April 17 02:18 BST (UK)  »
Hi HEATH:
Thanks for responding to me by PM.  I am grateful that RootsChat allowed us to communicate and exchange our family information and confirm our mutual information. Lorna

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United States of America / Re: Margaret McClelland
« on: Monday 03 April 17 02:07 BST (UK)  »
HEATH:
Not sure if you are still searching for Margaret McCLELLAND born to Isaac McClelland and Mary Jane Purdy (daughter of Daniel Purdy) from Articlave.
I am researching the McClelland side of my mother's family from Articlave and have been looking to see where Isaac's family disappeared to.  This family were from Articlave Upper and Isaac shows up in the Valuation Records PRONI when he took over the farm in 1878 from his father Benjamin McClelland.  There is also a marriage record in Family Search for July 5, 1862. Children were Unnamed female b. 1864; Martha b. 1867; William John 1869; Margaret 1871; Elizabeth 1873.
I believe Isaac and my g-g-grandfather William were 1st cousins.  There is also a record for Benjamin McClelland in the 1st Dunboe Church pew seating records.
Please let me know if you were able to locate any more information and I will keep you posted when I find further info.  - Lorna

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Derry (Londonderry) / Re: McConaghy Family in Articlave
« on: Tuesday 07 February 17 02:30 GMT (UK)  »
For those of you tracing this family I wanted to add some information regarding Robert McConaghy born 1878.  He immigrated to Iowa in 1904 and in 1905 he and my great-aunt Annie Hopkins McClelland, born in 1885 in Bratwell, Londonderry married.  Two of their daughters survived to go on and have families.  I have no information regarding Robert's parents but am happy to share the information I do have on his family.

Lorna


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Down / Re: Bell Family of Drumgath, Rathfriland
« on: Saturday 12 November 16 17:12 GMT (UK)  »
Hamlets:   Isaac & Susan Irvine, daughters Martha and Lizzie show in the 1901 Census in Drumlough, Drumgath.  This townland is adjacent to Lessize townland where you indicate your Bell family came from.  You can search in the Freeholder Records and it shows a number of Bell names for the Drumlough townland with many of the early names you record.  You could check out these families for connections.
1788 Freeholder Record shows a Henry Bell in Lisnavaghog. 

Lorna Dalzell LeBrun

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Down / Re: kirk of rathfriland county down
« on: Wednesday 02 December 15 18:08 GMT (UK)  »
Ha!  No worries about brief replies - that is much more efficient anyway.

If you give me an e-mail address I can forward it to you.  I am not sure how much you know about the area or where you are located, but obviously in the UK.  I am in Canada but go back to the homeland every year.   I know the area very well as I lived there until I was 18 and have gone back every few years.  If there is any other information I can help you with I will be happy to try to help you out.

You can contact me by private message.

Best of luck.  Lorna

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Down / Re: kirk of rathfriland county down
« on: Wednesday 02 December 15 13:56 GMT (UK)  »
Graham:  If you wish I can forward you a copy of the land survey map.

Let me know if this is of interest.

Lorna


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