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Aberdeenshire / Re: Frasers of Philorth connection
« on: Friday 04 May 18 16:00 BST (UK)  »
Thanks everybody.

I'll go on the assumption that it's the Frasers of Philorth.

As for Episcopalian records, from Google searching it looks like St. Peters Episcopalian is the most likely. http://stpetersfraserburgh.org.uk/?page_id=44 Found this link where the current Lady Saltoun talks about her grandfather being involved with them. The only thing is the new building wasn't built until 1796. (6 years before Alexander was born) They met in a building before that, it sounds like it wasn't a good time to be Episcopalian. (it sounds like all of their files before 1745 were lost in a fire which is so sad)

There is a chance that Alexander might not have attended the same church as the Saltoun line, or that his record was lost.

In terms of finding the records I found a few possibilities listed online...

here...
1 - http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/c/F152624 but it says the Collection is held privately, and enquiries are to the National Register for Scotland
2 - http://calms.abdn.ac.uk/DServe/dserve.exe?dsqServer=Calms&dsqIni=Dserve.ini&dsqApp=Archive&dsqCmd=Show.tcl&dsqDb=Catalog&dsqPos=0&dsqSearch=%28RefNo%3D%27ms%203320%27%29
University of Aberdeen Special Collection under the Records of the Scottish Episcopal Church, Diocese of Aberdeen and Orkney. It does list the church, hard to say what it would include, and if I could even have access to it?
It does list Research Enquiries on their website, has anybody had any luck contacting them and if so does it cost?


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Aberdeenshire / Frasers of Philorth connection
« on: Wednesday 02 May 18 14:09 BST (UK)  »
Growing up, the biggest question in our family was do we descend from the Frasers of Lovat or Frasers of Philorth?

In the last couple years was able to trace our Fraser line back to Alexander Fraser (1790-1848) and Christina Burnett (1784-1860). Alexander was the head forester for the Lord Saltoun at the time. (also listed as gamekeeper & wright at other times) The story goes that Alexander & Christina were asked to name their child Thurlow after the Saltoun's wife's maiden name since she wasn't able to bear children.
That would lead me to believe that Alexander was quite close to the family... maybe even family? I was curious to know what others thought of this likelihood? Would a more prominent family like the Saltouns hire cousins, etc. to work for them? If a Fraser is working for the the Saltoun family, are they most likely a relative of some kind?

I have had no luck finding Alexander's parents. (as there are tons of Alexander Fraser's - and no concrete parish matches on Scotlands People have shown up) It sounds like the Saltoun Frasers were Episcopalian, and I'm not sure that those records are on Scotlands People? I couldn't find any specific Episcopalian records listed. It does list Episcopal Church 1549-2003 records on this site https://www.nrscotland.gov.uk/research/guides/church-records but I haven't figured out how to access them, and if they're even available online.

I've done my DNA, and ideally would love to compare my DNA with someone who has connected to the Saltoun line to see if there's any match there. I've put out the request on a couple sites a while ago, but have never had a response.
While searching, there's only one tree that connects Alexander to the Saltoun line, but it seems like a reach to me. https://www.ancestry.ca/family-tree/tree/5806665/ It links him to Hugh Fraser (1764-1837) and Elspet Peddie (1764-1846) and then up through a couple William Frasers. The facts just don't seem to line up.

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Lanarkshire / Re: Can't find death date for Alexander Fraser
« on: Monday 02 October 17 21:06 BST (UK)  »
I never followed up, after some more digging and writing to the Ontario Archives, I received all the records from Alexander from the Hamilton Psychiatric Hospital where he sadly passed away. I was hoping it would answer some questions on why he left Scotland, and solve the mystery behind it all. It did include a photo of him which was pretty neat.
It doesn't say why he left for Canada, it didn't seem like he had a relationship with his boys as they aren't mentioned in the report. It seems he had been struggling with alcoholism for a long time, maybe his wife had asked him to leave.
It seems digging up the past can bring up lots of things, good and bad. Thanks everybody for all your help with this, appreciate it.

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Buteshire / Mystery Paintings from Millport area
« on: Sunday 25 June 17 21:43 BST (UK)  »
I'm not sure if this is the place to post this question, but I wasn't quite sure where else to post it.

My Grandfather has been going through his things and I've come to acquire a few mystery paintings. He said that his mother, my grandmother, Colina Campbell (1895-1953) brought them with her when she immigrated to Canada from Millport. They must have meant something to her to take them all that way. She also had some original watercolours done by her brother Arch J. Campbell (1879-1959). My Grandpa always assumed that the two oil paintings were also done by Arch, but after talking to a cousin many years ago who has now passed, she said that Arch never worked with oils, only watercolours so they couldn't be done by him.

I was curious to know if anybody knew of any other local painters from the Cumbraes? Or if you could point me in the direction of someone who might?

I've included photos of the 2 paintings. Both are not signed on the front. The sheep painting is done on a proper canvas, where as the ship painting is done on a much cheaper more rudimentary board leading me to believe it might have been a more amateur artist. I did find a pencil scrawl on the back of the ship painting, I can't make it out whether it's a signature or description.

I've also included a few of Arch Campbell's watercolours. When I was there last summer there was one of his paintings in Mary Ewing's sketchbook showcased.

Any help would be greatly appreciated, thanks so much!

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Aberdeenshire / Looking for someone with matching DNA to the Frasers of Philorth, Lords Saltoun
« on: Tuesday 20 June 17 18:44 BST (UK)  »
Hi, I've traced my genealogy back to Alexander Fraser & Christina Burnett who worked at Philorth. My DNA results have confirmed this. I haven't been able to confirm either of their parents yet. 

This was just out of sheer curiosity, but I was curious to know if our Alexander was related at all to the Lords Saltoun, Frasers of Philorth line. I have mine, and my grandfathers DNA on GedMatch, and I wondered if anybody with DNA matches to the Lords Saltoun line would allow me to compare their DNA to my grandfather's to see if there might be any match at all?

I know that Alexander worked at the Philorth estate as their head forester, and gamekeeper. I also know that the story goes that the 16th Lord Saltoun, Alexander George Fraser's wife, Catherine Thurlow asked Alexander and Christina to name one of their children Thurlow since she didn't have the chance to have any children herself. This would lead me to believe there was some sort of relationship, even if it was just a close working relationship. Also going off of the 1841 it lists Christina living in the North Lodge of the estate with 3 of her children, while Alexander isn't listed, so maybe they allowed her to remain there after he passed?

I did read some of The Frasers of Philorth, Volume 1 on Google Books, fascinating by the way! It sure sounds like Alexander George Fraser didn't make it to the Philorth estate very much, but when he did he was a likeable character. I'm not sure how much Catherine was there, and if she would have lived there or not.

It looks like the only line that went on was Hon. William Fraser, Alexander George's brother.

Anyways, I know this is a long shot, but I thought I'd throw it out there just in case there's someone out there with matching DNA.

Any help would be wonderful, thanks so much!!

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Perthshire / Re: Catherine Cree & Peter Campbell - Missing some important facts....
« on: Sunday 21 May 17 01:52 BST (UK)  »
Thanks Annie, I haven't been able to fully explore it yet, but I've bookmarked it for when I have more time to search through each page. Might be helpful for other family members too, that's great, thanks. :)

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Perthshire / Re: Catherine Cree & Peter Campbell - Missing some important facts....
« on: Saturday 20 May 17 02:50 BST (UK)  »
Rosalinda, a few interesting things I came across, not sure if you saw this as well.
If you search the Perthshire Crie/Cree Family Tree on Ancestry. It shows...

Alexander Cree father of....

Alexander Cree 1713-? m. to a Mary Millar
it lists them having 6 children....
Alexander Cree 1736-?
Janet Cree 1739-?
Thomas Cree 1741-?
David Cree 1748-?
Jean Cree 1750-?
Agnes Cree 1753-?

They seem to have marriage dates, which leads me to believe they've proven this with parish records.

What's interesting about that is that it sounds like Thomas Cree might have married a cousin maybe? If his mom was a Miller/Millar, and his wife was, they are most likely related.

There's also the Hall Family Tree that has a few more details..... they have...

Alexander Cree 20 Dec 1713, Forteviot, Perthshire, Scotland
m. to Mary Millar 18 May 1735 - and they have the scan of the parish record.

They've listed Alexander Cree's birthday as 09 May 1736, Forteviot, Perthshire, Scotland.
As well as more exact birthdates for their siblings.

What's interesting about that tree is that they've listed Thomas Cree as marrying Jean Drysdale 30 Aug 1769, Alloa, Clackmannan, Scotland. Not my Catherine Miller 29 Nov 1767, Aberdalgie, Perth, Scotland. They do have a parish transcript, but it doesn't prove that it's the same Thomas Cree from Forteviot, it's still possible, but I tend to think my Thomas Cree is more logically the right one since Aberdalgie is much closer to Forteviot than Alloa.

Ok, I'd say that solves the connection, we're connected through Alexander Cree & Mary Miller/Millar. They're my x6 great-grandparents. Thomas is their son, who married Catherine Miller who must be related to Mary somehow, I'll have to work on figuring out that connection.

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Perthshire / Re: Catherine Cree & Peter Campbell - Missing some important facts....
« on: Tuesday 16 May 17 15:38 BST (UK)  »
Annie, I'm sorry, I didn't realize I hadn't responded yet. I didn't meant to offend anybody. Sometimes the excitement of finding a new lead causes you to go off and forget to write your findings.
I hadn't been able to take all your suggestions yet and explore all leads yet.
I appreciate all your suggestions and help.

The suggestions I have looked up have definitely helped me out, I think Peter Campbell's parents are Peter Campbell (b. abt 1760-? Perth) & Margaret Murray (b. abt 1760-? Perth), it would definitely make sense with the passing down of names.

Rosalinda, thanks so much for writing, yes, I do believe there must be a connection between the lines. There's just too many similarities to not be related. I think your idea of sisters marrying brothers is quite plausible! I believe Thomas Cree's father was Alexander Cree (1719-?) so that would make sense that his first born son would also be Alexander Cree? It's so hard to find siblings without the wonderful help of the Census'. I think it's safe to assume that it's a definite possibility though. Did you find any more info on Alexander Cree's parentage in your line? Do you have a Ancestry tree I can look at?

Thanks again everybody for your help, and sorry if I haven't been on top of writing everybody back.

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Canada / Re: Searching for the parents of Amanda Lavinia Billington
« on: Thursday 16 March 17 17:23 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks for your help everybody, mystery is solved! My relative came across an invaluable piece of information that explains everything. Amanda's father was in fact George Billington and Eliza Kennedy. Quite a sad tale of both parents passing away and leaving behind 3 orphans. But it does explain a lot. Thought I would include it just in case someone else is looking. Thanks again!

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