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Kent / Re: Teynham, birthplace of my father, Albert James Baker, 1904
« on: Tuesday 21 May 19 06:15 BST (UK)  »
   izzijac: I had inquired about my father's birthplace quite a while ago and had, up till now, thought that my effort to find any information had been unsuccessful. Thank you for contacting me. I am absolutely astonished about what you have said in your post and I want to find out more details from you about the relative you referred to and the house that you say is the same one. (I didn't see it when I viewed World's End on a Google map (at ground level), but of course I realize that it may have drastically changed in appearance since 1938 from remodeling, renovations and modifications.)
   My father's name was Albert James Baker, born June 30, 1904, in Teynham (possibly in that house). He had a brother, William George, born January 1903. Their parents/my grandparents were Albert William Baker, born 1873, Milstead, and Frances Elizabeth (Pilcher) Baker, born 1875, Sittingbourne/Faversham area. They were married in March 1902 in Bromley and I know they were in Teynham in June 1904 when my father was born. My grandfather worked on a farm (maybe not far from that house). I am assuming that my grandparents were tenants living in a house (maybe that one) owned by a landlord.
   I am hoping that you may respond to this post.  I am lucky to have received your post. You have given me encouraging information.  If you like, we can send private messages. Whatever you would like to do. I am not a regular, active member here.
   Sincerely, Kenneth Baker, Maryland, USA

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Kent / Teynham, birthplace of my father, Albert James Baker, 1904
« on: Saturday 01 December 18 18:14 GMT (UK)  »
My post/subject focuses on Teynham and "World's End," the location where my father, Albert James Baker, was born in 1904.
 
I have a 1938 newspaper ad (William Willett Ltd.) describing a "XVIth Century Cottage Residence," in "Kent, World's End, Teynham" (photo attached). I would like to find out if my grandparents, Albert William and Frances Elizabeth (Pilcher) Baker, lived in that house, as boarders or tenants, from approximately Feb 1903 to April-June 1906. Their address, on a baptism register (William George Baker) in Feb 1903 was Lucerne Street, Teynham, but no house number.
 
In the NO-census year of 1904, is it possible to find house numbers and the names of the occupants of the houses on World’s End? Are there deed records, tax records, post office records, or any other type of documentation that may reveal occupants names.
 
On the Google map of Teynham, I see a short road off of Lewson (formerly Lucerne) named World's End leading to a "Y" and the left fork changes to a farm lane. On the ground view the Google camera van does not travel down World's End from Lewson, and I cannot zoom in enough on the aerial view to examine certain features. I was looking for that massive chimney which may have remained on the house (if it exists at all) over the decades of restoration, renovation and modification.
 
For those reading this request who live in Teynham:
Does "World's End" refer specifically to that road or street that I see on the maps or  does it encompass part of Lucerne Street too? Do you have ancestors who lived at either place? Do you know the history of The Plough Inn, Lucerne Street, World's End, and the residence in the photo, from available archives of the area or from your family history? My grandfather worked on a farm, probably close to that house in the photo. I saw on the Google aerial map farmland (crops) on either side of that farm lane extending from World's End. Did that same farmland exist back in 1900-1906 and were there dairy farms in the area?
 
Kenneth Baker
Maryland U.S.A.

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Canada Lookup Request / Re: Descendants of James Copeland Elliott
« on: Monday 19 February 18 14:51 GMT (UK)  »
The baptism record could possibly prove that the 1904 Lake Champlain passage was Albert E. Baker as you noted. “Baker” is such a common name and was in Kent County and many were immigrating to Canada around the same time. Albert E. could be the same age, be an Agriculture A laborer, be from Kent, be going to Toronto, as Albert W.

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Canada Lookup Request / Re: Descendants of James Copeland Elliott
« on: Monday 19 February 18 07:19 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Cosmac,
   I need to find those records. I have a copy of the 1904 Lake Champlain passenger list and it fits my GF in every column (there are no middle initials on the entire list). I received this list from my niece who was subscribing to Ancestry.com at the time.
   I don’t have a copy of the 1906 Lake Erie one.
   One of them is wrong. I think he either went over in Aug 1904 and stayed or went over in Apr 1906 and stayed. I don’t think he could have gone over and back and over again and then have his wife and boys follow on separate passage.
  Thanks for telling me about the baptism of Albert Jr? I don’t have a copy of it. Was it at St. John’s church in Bromley?  I think that it is Albert JAMES as the baptism date is reasonable as my father was born June 30, 1904.
  I can’t find family records of his arrival date and when he went to the Elliott farm in Tweed.
   Thank you for your research for me.


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Canada Lookup Request / Re: Descendants of James Copeland Elliott
« on: Monday 19 February 18 01:45 GMT (UK)  »
  Thank you the Lake Erie information about my GF.

   I have a 1904 passenger list of the Lake Champlain with my GF arriving at Montreal on Aug 12 with destination Toronto, where he must have signed up for work or be put on a waiting list and then did something else—I don’t know. But he went back to England sometime between Aug 1904 and April 1906 but I have not found him booked on a steamship to England.
  He was there as you say to tell his wife to “pack up..we’re going to Canada—I’ve got a job and found a house for us” and then he leaves his family there and
sails on the Lake Erie back to Canada. Do you know his destination from the passenger list? If it was Toronto he hadn’t found a farm to accept him yet; if it was Tweed, he was on the way to James Elliott’s farm.
   He might have had a “report for (farm) work” day at the end of April 1906; otherwise why didn’t he stay with his family and they all leave together?
  Thanks for staying with my Rootschat request and contributing with your posts. I appreciate it.

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Canada Lookup Request / Re: Descendants of James Copeland Elliott
« on: Sunday 18 February 18 20:30 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Don,
   Thanks for your reply.
   First your comment about an assisted program had me digging through my correspondence files. About a year and a half ago I inquired on-line to LAC about my GF. A reply by Richard Lelieve, Consultant had in a sentence “...files on immigrant assistance and/or placement for this period were not retained.”  So I think you nailed it. How could my GF afford those voyages (2 to CA, 1 to UK for himself and 1 to CA for his family) on his farrm laborer’s wages which were probably less then $1 day. I thought maybe he had to pay for those passages from his farm wages in Tweed. Well maybe “assisted” took a certain percentage of his salary to pay back to the British government. I am going to send another inquiry to LAC to elaborate on that assistance program. Any thoughts from you would also be appreciated.

   I have a 1911 Tweed census record and there is only James C. Elliott listed.
No other Elliott’s . Your map of 1880 shows 8-10 Elliott farms. Maybe the census I have is just the town (James moved into town) not the farms. I can’t imagine all those Elliott farms being sold or rented in 31 years and the other Elliotts disappearing.






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Canada Lookup Request / Re: Descendants of James Copeland Elliott
« on: Saturday 17 February 18 19:46 GMT (UK)  »
DonM,
  That map is fantastic! Never seen it before. I can’t find the date. Maybe I missed it.  Can we find out?
   Six Elliott farms, two belonging to Wm., one to
Jas (James?). James C. Elliott is the farm where my GF went. I didn’t know there were so many other Elliotts with farms there. Maybe one or two generations. I will have to go back in his family tree now (or try to) to connect them together.
  I even saw a Finley farm. That was his wife’s maiden name. Elizabeth Finley.
   Thank you.



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Canada Lookup Request / Re: Descendants of James Copeland Elliott
« on: Saturday 17 February 18 18:57 GMT (UK)  »
Oh my I’m getting out of order here.  This is for DonM.
   Is there a Kent County in Ontario? In Canada? I am referring to Kent County England where my grandfather was born in 1874 (Milsted) and lived until he emigrated to Tweed, Ontario in 1904.
  Thank you for the Elliott link. I will look at it now.

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Canada Lookup Request / Re: Descendants of James Copeland Elliott
« on: Saturday 17 February 18 18:30 GMT (UK)  »
   Hi Cosmac. Yes he married Frances in Jan 1902 and then decides to check Canada out in Aug 1904 for the advantages it has over (apparently) the dismal
conditions in Kent County (at least in his case)
   He did return in 1906 as you said and then Frances and the two boys departed Liverpool in late May 1906 for Canada and went directly to Tweed.
   My thoughts (please comment if you like):
   He had to satisfy Mr. Elliott that he could do the job and was of suitable moral character to be hired by him.
  He had to stay on the farm for two years to earn enough wages to find a place for his family—pay rent in advance or something like that.
   He had to save enough money to pay for his over-and-back voyage and Frances’ voyage with the boys in 1906.
   I just don’t see that. He was a farm laborer, probably earning at the most $1 a day.
   Somebody (Mr. Elliott?) or some organization (CA and/or UK Immigration Departments?) had to have helped him.
   Thank you for your post.
   

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