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London & Middlesex Completed Lookup Requests / Re: Great York Street, Bethnal Green **Completed**
« on: Thursday 10 October 19 23:54 BST (UK) »
Was 20 years later I meant to add. Late 1860s early 1870s.
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London & Middlesex Completed Lookup Requests / Re: Great York Street, Bethnal Green **Completed**
« on: Thursday 10 October 19 23:52 BST (UK) »
My Other half's Great Great Grandfather was living at 2 York Street in same area and was baptised in same church, so was a neighbour. 
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Kent / Re: PHILPOT philipot IN KENT (Connections to Matsons, Glovers, Leighs Lees)
« on: Thursday 09 March 17 23:44 GMT (UK) »
I have copied this post from Matson and Lushingtons thread:
MATSONS / PHILPOTS
I have some more information about earlier Matsons, but will involve another thread about Matsons and Philpots. I have found Henry Philpot's marriage entry and I suspected that Alice (married to James Matson who died in 1593) was probably Henrey / Henry's sister. Henry's son Thomas Philpot, a Captain mentions Alice and James Matson's son Robert in his will, as his cousen!
Henry as a possible father to Alice and her maiden name as Philpot. I felt this may be wrong and that if any relation, she may have been a sibling of Henry Philpot. Henry's marriage is well beyond the date of Alice's birth, infact it is just before Alice Marries James Matson at the same church.
This would also back up my hunch of Robert Matson being the nephew of Henry Philpot (Thomas' father).
I have found what I think is James Matson and Alice’s marriage entry. Based upon my other research into Philpots, I am clear that Alice is in fact Henry's sister in law. SHe is likely the sister of Henry's Wife Judith (Judith Leigh / Lee, daughter of David Leigh).
This would make James Matson's Wife an name is Alice Lee or Leigh. Definite evidence to support this with the Philpot family - tree mentioned in visitations.
I will continue a new thread, as there is rather a lot here, but the marriage place for them is Barham (this ties up with other Matson's who owned Digges Place and the Black Mill etc - John Matson Mayor of Dover).
I will type what I know.
MATSONS / PHILPOTS
I have some more information about earlier Matsons, but will involve another thread about Matsons and Philpots. I have found Henry Philpot's marriage entry and I suspected that Alice (married to James Matson who died in 1593) was probably Henrey / Henry's sister. Henry's son Thomas Philpot, a Captain mentions Alice and James Matson's son Robert in his will, as his cousen!
Henry as a possible father to Alice and her maiden name as Philpot. I felt this may be wrong and that if any relation, she may have been a sibling of Henry Philpot. Henry's marriage is well beyond the date of Alice's birth, infact it is just before Alice Marries James Matson at the same church.
This would also back up my hunch of Robert Matson being the nephew of Henry Philpot (Thomas' father).
I have found what I think is James Matson and Alice’s marriage entry. Based upon my other research into Philpots, I am clear that Alice is in fact Henry's sister in law. SHe is likely the sister of Henry's Wife Judith (Judith Leigh / Lee, daughter of David Leigh).
This would make James Matson's Wife an name is Alice Lee or Leigh. Definite evidence to support this with the Philpot family - tree mentioned in visitations.
I will continue a new thread, as there is rather a lot here, but the marriage place for them is Barham (this ties up with other Matson's who owned Digges Place and the Black Mill etc - John Matson Mayor of Dover).
I will type what I know.
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Kent / Re: Matson and Lushington Family research
« on: Thursday 09 March 17 23:36 GMT (UK) »
I have created the start of a thread to PHILPOT / PHILIPOT with hope of encouraging more research that connect immediate families of MATSON, LEE or LEIGH, MERRIWETHER, GLOVER, in Kent.
I've titled it as follows:
PHILPOT philipot IN KENT (Connections to Matsons, Glovers, Leighs Lees)
I've titled it as follows:
PHILPOT philipot IN KENT (Connections to Matsons, Glovers, Leighs Lees)
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Kent / PHILPOT philipot IN KENT (Connections to Matsons, Glovers, Leighs Lees)
« on: Thursday 09 March 17 23:33 GMT (UK) »
This is a forum about the Philpot or Philipots in Kent area.
This thread has been started as there are a number of trees on Web that maybe inaccurate, part of that could be due to information from various sources that maybe also be wrong.
The Kent area is important as they appear to originate from the area with other possible connections to Hampshire, Dorset, Sussex and London.
Other families have been mentioned with connections in 1500s, 1600s and 1700s. Matsons, Lee or Leighs, Merriwether, Glover. It is the connections to these families that are of interest.
There are many other threads that cover the other families in more detail.
This thread has been started as there are a number of trees on Web that maybe inaccurate, part of that could be due to information from various sources that maybe also be wrong.
The Kent area is important as they appear to originate from the area with other possible connections to Hampshire, Dorset, Sussex and London.
Other families have been mentioned with connections in 1500s, 1600s and 1700s. Matsons, Lee or Leighs, Merriwether, Glover. It is the connections to these families that are of interest.
There are many other threads that cover the other families in more detail.
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Kent / Re: Matson and Lushington Family research
« on: Wednesday 08 March 17 15:26 GMT (UK) »
Hi Doverog,
LUSHINGTON MATSON Will 1789:
Excuse the absence, but I was checking and cross checking the Matsons, Jekins and Philpots to try and unravel the jigsaw a bit more. In the course of my digging, I have found the possible baptism for Lushington Matson!
He is likely the son of Stephen an Ann Matson. Stephen is the son of James Matson and Susanna Lusshinton (Stephen was born JUL 1693 • Hougham, Kent, England) and the twin bother of one of the James Matson.
I have found a baptism entry for Lushington Matson and the name matches the transcription of Grandmother Susanna Lusshinton's maiden name. The dates fit with the ages and the place of Baptism with what we know about that family (grandparents James and Susanna).
Lusshinton Matson (mis-transcribed as Lushinten Matson on various websites, but on closer inspection it looks to me like Lusshinton):
Baptised on:16 Jul 1725
Baptised at: St Margaret-at-Cliffe Church, St Margaret-at-Cliffe, Kent, England
Parents Stephen Matson and Ann
Canterbury Cathedral Archives,
Archive reference: U3/200,
Year range: 1701-1761,
Record set: Kent, Canterbury Archdeaconry Baptisms 1538-1912
Hope this helps?
MATSONS / PHILPOTS
I have some more information about earlier Matsons, but will involve another thread about Matsons and Philpots. I have found Henry Philpot's marriage entry and I suspected that Alice (married to James Matson who died in 1593) was probably Henrey / Henry's sister. Henry's son Thomas Philpot, a Captain mentions Alice and James Matson's son Robert in his will, as his cousen!
You have Henry as a possible father to Alice and her maiden name as Philpot. I felt this may be wrong and that if any relation, she may have been a sibling. Henry's marriage is well beyond the date of Alice's birth, infact it is just before Alice Marries James Matson at the same church. I can email you what I know if easier.
This would also back up my hunch of Robert Matson being the nephew of Henry Philpot (Thomas' father). In your research you mention that Thomas Philpot adopts the Matson children - do you have any evidence (I am not close to Kent Archives to pop in)? If this is the case, then the cousin will be adopting his cousins.
I have found what I think is James Matson and Alice’s marriage entry. Based upon my other research into Philpots, I am clear that Alice is in fact Henry's wife's (Judith Leigh / Lee, daughter of David Leigh) sister and her name is Alice Lee or Leigh. Definite evidence to support this with the Philpot family - tree mentioned in visitations.
I will continue a new thread, as there is rather a lot here, but the marriage place for them is Barham (this ties up with other Matson's who owned Digges Place and the Black Mill etc - John Matson Mayor of Dover).
LUSHINGTON MATSON Will 1789:
Excuse the absence, but I was checking and cross checking the Matsons, Jekins and Philpots to try and unravel the jigsaw a bit more. In the course of my digging, I have found the possible baptism for Lushington Matson!
He is likely the son of Stephen an Ann Matson. Stephen is the son of James Matson and Susanna Lusshinton (Stephen was born JUL 1693 • Hougham, Kent, England) and the twin bother of one of the James Matson.
I have found a baptism entry for Lushington Matson and the name matches the transcription of Grandmother Susanna Lusshinton's maiden name. The dates fit with the ages and the place of Baptism with what we know about that family (grandparents James and Susanna).
Lusshinton Matson (mis-transcribed as Lushinten Matson on various websites, but on closer inspection it looks to me like Lusshinton):
Baptised on:16 Jul 1725
Baptised at: St Margaret-at-Cliffe Church, St Margaret-at-Cliffe, Kent, England
Parents Stephen Matson and Ann
Canterbury Cathedral Archives,
Archive reference: U3/200,
Year range: 1701-1761,
Record set: Kent, Canterbury Archdeaconry Baptisms 1538-1912
Hope this helps?
MATSONS / PHILPOTS
I have some more information about earlier Matsons, but will involve another thread about Matsons and Philpots. I have found Henry Philpot's marriage entry and I suspected that Alice (married to James Matson who died in 1593) was probably Henrey / Henry's sister. Henry's son Thomas Philpot, a Captain mentions Alice and James Matson's son Robert in his will, as his cousen!
You have Henry as a possible father to Alice and her maiden name as Philpot. I felt this may be wrong and that if any relation, she may have been a sibling. Henry's marriage is well beyond the date of Alice's birth, infact it is just before Alice Marries James Matson at the same church. I can email you what I know if easier.
This would also back up my hunch of Robert Matson being the nephew of Henry Philpot (Thomas' father). In your research you mention that Thomas Philpot adopts the Matson children - do you have any evidence (I am not close to Kent Archives to pop in)? If this is the case, then the cousin will be adopting his cousins.
I have found what I think is James Matson and Alice’s marriage entry. Based upon my other research into Philpots, I am clear that Alice is in fact Henry's wife's (Judith Leigh / Lee, daughter of David Leigh) sister and her name is Alice Lee or Leigh. Definite evidence to support this with the Philpot family - tree mentioned in visitations.
I will continue a new thread, as there is rather a lot here, but the marriage place for them is Barham (this ties up with other Matson's who owned Digges Place and the Black Mill etc - John Matson Mayor of Dover).
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Kent / Re: Matson and Lushington Family research
« on: Wednesday 01 February 17 16:55 GMT (UK) »
Hi Doverog,
I will have a look at this, but from a quick glance it seams to agree with some of my new research. I like to plot siblings marriages and children and grandchildren. It helps eliminate people with same names.
I managed to find a whole load of things about Lushingtons on British History on line and in National Archives. There is so much there, it will take me a while to plough through, but I will get back to you.
There are also lots of Wills transcribed for Lushingtons and I've managed to start working out who is who (cousins etc) from that. I have cross referenced with headstone inscriptions and it all seems to tally. I like to be thorough.
I know someone on Ancestry had saved the wrong parents to Mary Matson (our Mary 2) married Richard Redman. They said the father was John Matson who married widowed Ann Boys (she married her cousin Thomas Boys of Betteshanger, who died without issue). John is a sibling of the correct father of Mary 2, James who married Susanna Lushington. John's first wife was Mary Goldfinch (her father is Stephen Goldfinch of Eastry).
I notice that lots of people have blindly copied the wrong parents of Mary 2, as often happens on sites. I am glad that I found this post and there are people who are trying to get accurate trees.
Will get back to you.
I will have a look at this, but from a quick glance it seams to agree with some of my new research. I like to plot siblings marriages and children and grandchildren. It helps eliminate people with same names.
I managed to find a whole load of things about Lushingtons on British History on line and in National Archives. There is so much there, it will take me a while to plough through, but I will get back to you.
There are also lots of Wills transcribed for Lushingtons and I've managed to start working out who is who (cousins etc) from that. I have cross referenced with headstone inscriptions and it all seems to tally. I like to be thorough.
I know someone on Ancestry had saved the wrong parents to Mary Matson (our Mary 2) married Richard Redman. They said the father was John Matson who married widowed Ann Boys (she married her cousin Thomas Boys of Betteshanger, who died without issue). John is a sibling of the correct father of Mary 2, James who married Susanna Lushington. John's first wife was Mary Goldfinch (her father is Stephen Goldfinch of Eastry).
I notice that lots of people have blindly copied the wrong parents of Mary 2, as often happens on sites. I am glad that I found this post and there are people who are trying to get accurate trees.
Will get back to you.
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Kent / Re: Matson and Lushington Family research
« on: Wednesday 01 February 17 01:34 GMT (UK) »
The Marriage Of James Matson and Susannah Lushington, i am certain is Hawkinge. Its not Hawkhurst. Hawkinge is nearer Hougham, Alkham and St Margaret's at Cliffe.
I noticed that Buckland St Andrew was a suggestion (this church is near Alkham and Hougham too), but I still think it's St Michael's Hawkinge. We're never going to have 100% of all the information.
Anyone going to Maidstone archive may be lucky enough to find it, but I've been through all the digitised transcripts on FindMyPast and looked at Family Search and Ancestry - actual images for all those places mentioned by Cowper and other churches nearby and the information for that marriage is missing. The Hawkinge parish register doesn't cover that year).
Some records according to John Lushington - Author of Gavelkind to Gentlemen, states some of the records no longer exist. He also suggests that due to the religious and political issues years before (including Black death etc), many of the churches fell into disrepair and Baptisms etc were not recorded or books lost.
I noticed looking at some of the actual digitised pages of BMDs for some churches, one Vicar for example had written a note in mind 1800s mentioning he'd found a book stuffed at the back of a church room badly damaged and had had it rebound to try an save it. The baptism went back to 1500s here. Cannot remember which parish.
I am confident it is Hawkinge, as Hawkhurst is no where near where these two lived and had children etc.
I noticed that Buckland St Andrew was a suggestion (this church is near Alkham and Hougham too), but I still think it's St Michael's Hawkinge. We're never going to have 100% of all the information.
Anyone going to Maidstone archive may be lucky enough to find it, but I've been through all the digitised transcripts on FindMyPast and looked at Family Search and Ancestry - actual images for all those places mentioned by Cowper and other churches nearby and the information for that marriage is missing. The Hawkinge parish register doesn't cover that year).
Some records according to John Lushington - Author of Gavelkind to Gentlemen, states some of the records no longer exist. He also suggests that due to the religious and political issues years before (including Black death etc), many of the churches fell into disrepair and Baptisms etc were not recorded or books lost.
I noticed looking at some of the actual digitised pages of BMDs for some churches, one Vicar for example had written a note in mind 1800s mentioning he'd found a book stuffed at the back of a church room badly damaged and had had it rebound to try an save it. The baptism went back to 1500s here. Cannot remember which parish.
I am confident it is Hawkinge, as Hawkhurst is no where near where these two lived and had children etc.
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Kent / Re: Matson and Lushington Family research
« on: Wednesday 01 February 17 01:22 GMT (UK) »
Hi Doverog,
Yep Doverog, I spent this evening rechecking all my research and it was orignally correct with regard to the 2 Marys. I am glad you agree. I think the one indicator is one son was buried at St Margaret's at Cliffe before Mary 2's birth.
Also Mary's sister Jane marries Thomas Rogers at West Cliffe a few months after Mary marries Richard Redman (entry is next in book and on same page).
I made a note of all the Susan / Susannah Lushingtons over 130 year span, to work out a possible birth place (or area) of the wife of James. I have roughly worked out who the other Susan / Susannah Lushingtons were possibly related to. I will do more work on that over next few days etc.
JAMES MATSON's WIFE IS NOT:
I know that she didn't come from Dymchurch. We can discount Edward and Susan Lushington and their children (Susan, Mary Robert, Robert 2).
We can discount a Susannah Lushington wife of Robert Lushington, buried at Dymchurch on 14 May 1700.
We can discount Sousanna / Seusanna Lushington who was married to John Lushington at Leeds, Kent. They had daughters Elenor and Mary.
We can discount Susannah Lushington who married David Lesley in 1725.
We can discount Susan Lushington who married Rev William Russell at Eythorn and Alkham.
Yep Doverog, I spent this evening rechecking all my research and it was orignally correct with regard to the 2 Marys. I am glad you agree. I think the one indicator is one son was buried at St Margaret's at Cliffe before Mary 2's birth.
Also Mary's sister Jane marries Thomas Rogers at West Cliffe a few months after Mary marries Richard Redman (entry is next in book and on same page).
I made a note of all the Susan / Susannah Lushingtons over 130 year span, to work out a possible birth place (or area) of the wife of James. I have roughly worked out who the other Susan / Susannah Lushingtons were possibly related to. I will do more work on that over next few days etc.
JAMES MATSON's WIFE IS NOT:
I know that she didn't come from Dymchurch. We can discount Edward and Susan Lushington and their children (Susan, Mary Robert, Robert 2).
We can discount a Susannah Lushington wife of Robert Lushington, buried at Dymchurch on 14 May 1700.
We can discount Sousanna / Seusanna Lushington who was married to John Lushington at Leeds, Kent. They had daughters Elenor and Mary.
We can discount Susannah Lushington who married David Lesley in 1725.
We can discount Susan Lushington who married Rev William Russell at Eythorn and Alkham.
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