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Armed Forces / Re: British Army in Athlone, Ireland Late 1800's
« on: Monday 22 January 18 12:43 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: ShaunJ on Monday 22 January 18 12:12 GMT (UK)
Do bear in mind that the George Mann from Lichfield is just an interesting possibility (because of the Roscommon connections), and that the evidence of the army record (per the Police Gazette) is that he was born in London.

Remember also that the evidence that George Mann of the 64th regiment is the right George Mann is entirely circumstantial.  You should keep on searching for a marriage record.

Absolutely! I'm not officially recording anything without supporting evidence.  I'll keep the marriage record search on the go.  Thank you again.  GG

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Armed Forces / Re: British Army in Athlone, Ireland Late 1800's
« on: Monday 22 January 18 00:05 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: Sinann on Sunday 21 January 18 23:58 GMT (UK)
People who died in the workhouse were often only there to take advantage of the hospital and were not inmates due to poverty etc.

Really?  That is interesting and it explains why his death certificate gave a residential address as well, meaning his family were still living there.  Thank you for all your help!

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Armed Forces / Re: British Army in Athlone, Ireland Late 1800's
« on: Sunday 21 January 18 23:25 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: ShaunJ on Sunday 21 January 18 13:31 GMT (UK)
A bit of guesswork  (having noted that many of the 64th came from Lichfield) brought me to this interesting possibility for George in the 1861 census:

Rotten Row, Lichfield

William Mann   60   labourer, Roscommon   
Catherine Mann   56   wife,  Ballanlubber
Patrick Mann   17   son, labourer, Roscommon
Bathley (Batholomew?) Mann 13   son, Roscommon
George Mann  10  son, Lichfield

The next household to be enumerated is Frederick Lees, a Drill Sergeant Major

However - those "deserter" records apparently give his birthplace as London


ShaunJ I am blown away with all of this information!  It would seem then, that although George Mann was born in England, he himself was Irish descent.  Incredible about the physical description as well - I myself have the grey eyes, although commonly mistaken for blue.  I'd like to see the the paper work for "deserter" and discharge and then I think i will move on to looking at why he ended up in a workhouse and do some research on his father, William.  Many thanks!  Gayle

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Armed Forces / Re: British Army in Athlone, Ireland Late 1800's
« on: Sunday 21 January 18 00:52 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: GG2016 on Sunday 21 January 18 00:27 GMT (UK)
Quote from: aghadowey on Saturday 20 January 18 22:39 GMT (UK)
If you check birth certificates for all the children you may narrow down the dates when George would have left Army. Have you searched for Army records?

Birth of Edward Joseph Mann (father George Mann, dealer)-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1895/02226/1839315.pdf

Birth of John Edward Horatio Mann (father George Mann, labourer)-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1889/02463/1914825.pdf

Im intrigued with the middle name Horatio. Thank you!

I have searched for Army records but havent been able to narrow things down.  It would help to know which regiment George was in at Athlone.

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Armed Forces / Re: British Army in Athlone, Ireland Late 1800's
« on: Sunday 21 January 18 00:42 GMT (UK)  »
thank you everyone!

Im wondering what life would have been like as a protestant marrying a roman catholic (George mann and Kate McCormack) - I had assumed marriage wouldn't have been allowed.

Still hoping to find their marriage certificate.

GG

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Armed Forces / Re: British Army in Athlone, Ireland Late 1800's
« on: Sunday 21 January 18 00:27 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: aghadowey on Saturday 20 January 18 22:39 GMT (UK)
If you check birth certificates for all the children you may narrow down the dates when George would have left Army. Have you searched for Army records?

Birth of Edward Joseph Mann (father George Mann, dealer)-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1895/02226/1839315.pdf

Birth of John Edward Horatio Mann (father George Mann, labourer)-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1889/02463/1914825.pdf

Im intrigued with the middle name Horatio. Thank you!

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Armed Forces / Re: British Army in Athlone, Ireland Late 1800's
« on: Saturday 20 January 18 22:22 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: aghadowey on Saturday 20 January 18 22:14 GMT (UK)
For reference-

1901 census-
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Westmeath/Athlone_Urban__W_/Cemetery_Lane/1773516

1904 death-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1904/05618/4579928.pdf

This is as far as I have gotten so far.. Thank you!

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Armed Forces / Re: British Army in Athlone, Ireland Late 1800's
« on: Saturday 20 January 18 22:21 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: Sinann on Saturday 20 January 18 22:14 GMT (UK)
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Westmeath/Athlone_Urban__W_/Cemetery_Lane/1773516/

Have you got Margaret's marriage?

Unfortunately, not.  Im wondering why her husband inst recorded at this address too.  Perhaps he was a soldier in the barracks as well..

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Armed Forces / Re: British Army in Athlone, Ireland Late 1800's
« on: Saturday 20 January 18 22:07 GMT (UK)  »
Yes!
name:  George Mann
dob: 1849
Wife: Catherine McCormack (McCormick)
Died: 1904, Athlone workhouse
Born: england


Many thanks

GG

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