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Westmeath / Re: Maddack or Maddock family of Collinstown
« on: Saturday 07 January 17 17:08 GMT (UK)  »
Alas, I am having no luck at all with the Irish records - can't find anything at all that would link my Mary Ann to any Maddock family in Wexford.

I am trying now to track down her Australian marriage certificate and death certificate - which would give at least the names of her parents - but have drawn a blank there too, so far, unfortunately...

She seems to have married my great great grandfather, Thomas Goldburg (a tailor from Plock, Poland) in Benalla (Victoria) in 1864. Thomas (and Mary Ann) show up elsewhere in the Vic BDM register (for the births of their children), but - mysteriously - I can find no trace at all of their actual marriage. Frustrating...


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Westmeath / Re: Maddack or Maddock family of Collinstown
« on: Monday 02 January 17 07:16 GMT (UK)  »
Hello dathai, ballydw

Cullenstown (Wexford) rather than Collinstown (Westmeath) - I would never have got there in a million years...

Many thanks for your help, I will delve into the records and links you have suggested.

All the best


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Westmeath / Maddack or Maddock family of Collinstown
« on: Sunday 01 January 17 18:30 GMT (UK)  »
Dear Rootschatters (Ireland),

I have been very ably and kindly assisted by your counterparts in NZ and Australia, but am now drawing a blank in trying to find out something about the background of my great, great grandmother, Mary Ann Maddack (or Maddock), who was born circa 1844 in Collinstown. At some point between then and 1864 she emigrated to Australia, where she married Thomas Goldburg, a tailor from Plock (Poland) in March of that year.

The above information comes from the birth and marriage certificates of their son, my great grandfather, Nicholas Thomas Goldburg, b. Dec 1864 in Benalla, Victoria (supplied by Victoria BDM).

Somewhat confusingly, the certificates indicate "Collinstown, Wexford" as the place of Mary Ann Maddack's birth; I don't think this can be right - as far as I can tell Collinstown is a village in Westmeath?

Either way, I have been unable to find any further record or information about Mary Ann's origins and background in Ireland.

Looking through your boards I see that this question was raised in passing in another Australia-linked thread a few years ago, but without being resolved as far as I can tell.

Would anyone be able to help or point me in the right direction (parish records, maybe?) on the basis of the above info?

Many thanks as ever for any help you can provide

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New Zealand Completed Requests / Re: Herman George Tankersley Davies: Mary Moodie???
« on: Friday 09 December 16 11:12 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks again. So they came from the Shetland Islands (as William Tait Moodie affirmed in the probate document you posted for Barbara Helen). Very exotic!
R

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New Zealand Completed Requests / Re: Herman George Tankersley Davies: Mary Moodie???
« on: Friday 09 December 16 09:42 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Spades and Lu

Many, many thanks - you have pretty much nailed this, now:

Mary's death certificate (BDM Vic) gives no further information about her family (a lot of "unknowns"), but confirms:

- that she died at Beechworth Mental Hospital
- that she was 77 yrs old at the time of death (which would give her DOB as c. 1887)
- that she was unmarried

So still nothing to indicate if she and George Davies were ever actually married/divorced, but that - together with the lead on Beechworth Mental Hospital and the the search for Mary's son Ellis  - is an Australian story. Likewise, Lu's information about the Moodie family's arrival in Wellington means that I will need to look in England for anything before then.

In other words, your work is done! Mary was quite a tough one, so take a big bow and give yourselves a well deserved pat on the back. Thank you to you and everyone who has helped.

All the best

Richard

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New Zealand Completed Requests / Re: Herman George Tankersley Davies: Mary Moodie???
« on: Friday 09 December 16 08:16 GMT (UK)  »
Thank you, Wivenhoe, Lu  et al

Brilliant, you have found Mary! To sum up, here is what we now knowmore or less for sure from different sources:

1911 Mary - described as a "spiritualist" - enters into a relationship with my grandfather (Herman) George (Tankersley) Davies, and leaves from NZ for Sydney with or following him (source: various newspaper reports on the testimony of George's first wife Bollettie née Rasmussen, in her divorce proceedings against him in NZ in May 1916)

1914 Mary gives birth to Hermia (Moodie Davies),father George Davies, in NSW (source: NSW BDM)

1914 Mary testifies in committal hearing of George Davies on fraud charges in Sydney in November (source: newspaper reports, which also confirm that George was sentenced to 2 years in Jan 1915)

1917 Mary gives birth to Ellis (Moodie Davies), Victoria ? Date and place anecdotal - but existence of Ellis confirmed by name on passenger list of the Maloja, arriving with the rest of the family at Plymouth on 24 Feb 1927 - and by my mother, his half-sister)

1919 divorce (presumed) from George Davies. Source: marriage certificate of George Davies and Eileen Goldberg (my grandmother) of 26 April (BDM Victoria). The certificate indicates that George was "divorced (14 March 1919)".

1964 Mary died in Beechworth, Victoria (Source: Victoria BDM)

I  have ordered Hermia's birth certificate fromm NSW BDM in the hope that it might tell us more about Mary: if possible I would still like to find out when and where Mary was born, anything about her ancestry/origins, anything about her (presumed) marriage to, and divorce from, (Herman) George (Tankersley) Davies.

Finally an anecdote and some conjecture. My mother remembers her half-brother Ellis ("Bunk") Moodie Davies with affection; he married Joan Stuchbery and re-emigrated to Australia (after the war, she thinks), after which she lost sight of him. However, my mother describes her half-sister Hermia Moodie Davies as a disturbed person who was at some point committed to a mental health facility. The conjecture is as follows: Beechworth, where Mary Moodie died in 1964, is the location of a well known lunatic asylum, originally known as Mayday Hills, subsequently Beechworth Lunatic Asylum. Could that be where Mary ended her days? And did George Davies play a part in having her committed? The earlier reference to her as a "spiritualist", her quite garbled testimony in the November 1914 hearing in Sydney, and the fate of her daugher Hermia would not be inconsistent with a person with mental health problems.

I would be truly grateful for anything else you can discover about Mary.

Many thanks

Richard

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New Zealand Completed Requests / Herman George Tankersley Davies: Mary Moodie???
« on: Thursday 08 December 16 22:58 GMT (UK)  »
Dear all

I keep saying I have nearly finished up on the NZ part of my research into my "colourful" grandfather, Herman George Tankersley Davies - and then something else comes up... Is it always like this?

Positively the LAST thing I will ask, honest:

"George" was married to Bollettie Mary née Rasmussen in 1906, and in 1909 they had a son Walter Hansen. By 1911, George  not only had serious money troublse, he was getting bored with poor Bollettie, and basically ditched her and evaded his creditors by skipping off to Sydney with a woman called Mary Moody/Moodie. Bollettie finally divorced George (in absentia) in 1916 (her petition is reported verbatim in the NZ Truth of 21 May of that year - it would be quite hilarious if she hadn't been so badly treated) and subsequently remarried (twice, in fact), living to a ripe old age (d. 1968).

George does not appear to have exactly turned over a new leaf in Australia; in Jan. 1915 he was convicted of fraud and sentenced to two years' hard labour. I can find no record of his doing this "time", but he next shows up in 1917 in Melbourne (which would have been shortly after his release if he served the full sentence), when he basically cons the Nicholas brothers (inventors of Aspro) into taking them on as his marketing manager. With that, he at last found a legitimate niche for his "talents" (lying...), and over the following decades (until his death in 1954) made a great deal of money.

In 1919 he married my grandmother, Eileen Goldberg, and they moved with their rapidly growing family to England. My four small aunts were accompanied by a half-sister, Hermia (b. 1915) and a half-brother, Ellis (b. 1917), presumably from George's previous liaison with Mary Moodie/Moody (both had her surname as their second given names ).

But what about Mary? George and Eileen's Vic wedding certificate of 26 April 1919 indicates his status as "divorced (14-13-19)", but I can find no record of George and Mary having been married (can hardly see when they could have fit a wedding in, what with fleeing creditors and doing hard time...), and no sign of a divorce, either. I also wonder what became of Mary after George waltzed off into the sunset to become a millionaire...?

Of course this is an NZ thread, and I need to look further in Australia. But George clearly took up with Mary back in NZ, and I wondered if there might be some clues as to her origins and background?

Thanks as ever for your kindness

Richard

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New Zealand Completed Requests / Re: Bollettie Mary Hobbs (div. Davies), née Rasmussen
« on: Thursday 08 December 16 20:11 GMT (UK)  »
PS Ladyhawk: Annie Elizabeth Davies née Dodd b. 1857 Victoria, Australia - so that would also fit with Walter arriving first in Oz c. 1875.

It was Annie's mother , Bethany Dodd née Tankersley (hence my grandgrather - and uncle's - weird given name) who emigrated from Lincolnshire to Victoria. Her first four children were born there - in '56, '57, '59 and '61. Her 5th child was born in '62 in Dunedin.

Richard

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New Zealand Completed Requests / Re: Bollettie Mary Hobbs (div. Davies), née Rasmussen
« on: Thursday 08 December 16 20:00 GMT (UK)  »
Dear Lu and Ladyhawk

Many thanks, and sorry for being so vague (new to this).

Walter Davies b. 1856 Shrewsbury, Shropshire, England - draper
1871 census has him still single, still living in Shrewsbury
1881 m. Annie Elizabeth Dodd in Dunedin
1893 died NZ

So he migrated (a dirty word nowadays - but these boards and history show it is what makes the world go round!) some time between 1871 and 1881.

So Ladyhawk's suggestion (arr. Australia 1875, aged around 20) would fit.
Many thanks

Richard

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