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I have at least 6 records which could fit, had he left home ...However, two of the kids were born late 1886 and 1889 (my Grandfather), which suggests that he was still around ... and, I have D.N.A. results and relatives which discount any 'Hanky Panky' on the part of Ellen.
I did have trouble with Ellen's 1901 Workhouse until I discovered the Test House records.  They make perfect sense. Now, if you are in Liverpool, it's past your bedtime.

Many thanks again.

Dave

Hi John
Many thanks for your interest.  I have full details of all of the rest of the family, with the exception of the 1901 census for his wife.  She could have been anywhere and I did find her in H.M.P. Hornby Road,in 1911, probably for trading without a licence.  She died in 1942 in the Kirkdale Homes.  All the kids are accounted for from beginning to end, thanks.  It's just John 1850 who I cannot account for.  He was with the family in 1881.  By 1891 he family are at 8 Harker Place (RG 12 / 2922 page 28). but Ellen is listed as widowed. I'm assuming that it's a court and was in the area around Prince Edwin st and Soho Street. By 1901, the two eldest girls were married (and one of those was already widowed), the third girl was in service out in Lydiate and the two youngest lads, including my Grandad were in Nash Grove Ragged School.
 My problem is that she was listed as married when at H.M.P. but that could have been just what she said at the time.  Until recently, I have never found a death notice.  I have even followed one John Ewing up through Scotland and around to Yorkshire (I think) because the name and age fitted.
Then, quite by accident, I spotted a burial in 1904 for a John Ewing from Elm House.  It's in West Derby Cemetery and, I grew up in Sparrow Hall and West Derby Cemetery is just across the East Lanc's Road.  However, If I could find the location of the records from Elm House, it would show his next of kin, address and such like.  Hence my inquiry.   It's a puzzle but, it's what keeps us going. I'd love to solve the mystery but, without those 'human' records, I've no chance.  I'll get someone to nip over to West Derby Cem. easy enough but I doubt there's a gravestone.  I've checked on the listed stones and, thanks to the wonderful work by the Andersons, I can check those from Tasmania.   
Cheers... stay safe
Dave

Can any kindly soul in the Liverpool area, please identify Elm House, Walton?   I have it listed in a burial notice (1904) as the address from which the body was conveyed.  I'm wondering if it was a lodging house or a sanatorium of some kind.   
Many thanks

Dave Wallace

Many thanks Garstonite
I had Arthur Ernest as just Ernest with his birthdate as listed on the 1939 register.  His grave also gives his name as Ernest.  I haven't got Lilley(?) Maud as I cannot identify Jeremiah and Sarah Ann as the parents.  I can, however, confirm that Blanche never married and died, single in 193-61. I do know St Nicholas' Church and agree with your description.  I'm never wholly positive with transcriptions so tend to rely solely on written records. As I have now found Arthur's (Ernest) baptism record I shall amend my records.
Cheers
Dave Wallace

To Leanylawton (Colleen) and to Shipwright my humble and sincere apologies.  I spotted these messages late last night (Tasmanian time) and as there is no sign of a reply from me I don't think that I ever saw them.  Completely my fault as I must have missed the notification from the Roots Chat folk. I shall write to you personally, if I may.
Cheers
Dave Wallace