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Quote from: JJen on Saturday 11 March 17 16:46 GMT (UK)

Hawker -

Peddler or street seller. Itinerant street dealer who carried his wares with him.

Source - http://rmhh.co.uk/occup/index.html

JJ

Hi on your other thread, you now get back to Hawkers/Rag & bone men etc, so the important thing surely is to find John Ward with a relationship to a James John Ward c 1885/6?
Keyboard86

PS so what information do you have that John Ward was raised by Grandparents?

the information was passes onto me by another family member I have recently found who has done more research into the family than I have currently and knows also from family story and alot more about family history also stated that we did originate from romany stock but also unable to 100% identify where the family settled elizabeth was still very young when she had john he was raised as her sibaling rather than her son due to this it was in his later life he was told that his parents where his grandparents and his biological farther was not known he was 25 when he was told this and given his birth certificate naming Elizabeth his birth mother some of the family also branched off and I migrated to the us some time in the mid 1800's also confirmed by the finding of yet another living relative from the USA side of the family mainly I wanted to know about determining a roma family heritage which I know is mine but lost some time in the past was it common for travelers to be born and die at home in a caravan in the late 1700s to mid 1800s the family moved to London in around around 1850 I beleive it was a Thomas ward the first of the family to move into london now there also appears to be two separate ward family's in this era living in and around the oxfordshire area which I can't tie together but names can also conflick especially with john ward as there is another john ward in the same area and born around the same time but they are deffinately two diffrent johns my history can be found at wardancestry.com this is one of my sources of information it is published by a living relative from the lineage in the usa

I have allways heard the story's as a young lad about my mums family heritage decending from a roma gypsie family the family name is ward which I know is a common traveling name currently how ever my own linage of the ward line has been settled some time before my grandfarther I cam trace the family back to the mid to late 1700s and I the occupation of Harker, street trader, rag and bone man are all among the known occupation of those I've found ranging from the mid 1700s onward the family seems to have came from mainly around the southern areas of England london from the late 1800s onward oxford and other places other family members went further north in the mid to late 1800s but I lose track there just wondered of anyone had any inforation relating to a roma gypsie family by the Name of ward the occupation details I have relate to my 2nd great grandfather backwards his name was aurthur thomas james ward  1843-1892 he married a sarah hannah lucy courtneidge 1844-1928 he was the son of Thomas ward 1814-1879 and Mary Ann Maria Waters 1820-1874 Thomas ward 1814-1878 was the son of James ward 1785-? and maria willoughby 1775-1817 james was the son of  james ward from 1743-? and Jane smallbones 1750-? he was the son of james ward 1712-1781 and Dorothy ? 1700-1768 if anyone could provide any further information I would be grateful or if anyone could possibly confirm a roma family before settling would be even better my names are 100% correct dates may vary give or take five or so years and yes there was three james ward in a r

Welcome

Your dates don't look quite right for John Ward and Jessie Brown: you say he was born c1886 and she c1871, which would make her 15 years older than him.

In fact when they married at Christ Church, Mitcham on 8 June 1908 John was 24, a carman, and Jessie was 26.

His father: James John Ward, hawker (so not Thomas James Ward)
Her father: Henry Robert Brown, compositor

They seem have had a joint wedding with James William Swindle Beckett (another hawker) and Eliza Mary Mabey.  Both brides and both grooms were residing at 4 Phipps Terrace, Phipps Bridge Rd.   Both marriages were witnessed by the same people: Charles Edward Matthew Mabey, Sarah Ann Mabey and Mary Jane Mabey.

hi there thanks for that can I ask were you found this info dates for both of john and jessie I have found mutiple possible dates and also may I ask what is a hawker