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Gloucestershire Lookup Requests / Re: Elizabeth Chance nee Gardiner
« on: Thursday 09 September 21 20:23 BST (UK)  »
Dear Galium

Have found the record of Christopher Gardiner son Thomas in UK, Register of Duties Paid for Apprentices' Indentures, 1710-1811 and saved it to my tree as I have a limited membership to Ancestry.com.
Thank you for leading me to the information.

Matt

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Gloucestershire Lookup Requests / Re: Elizabeth Chance nee Gardiner
« on: Thursday 09 September 21 18:49 BST (UK)  »
Dear Galium

As a follow up. How can I be sure that the Christopher son of Thomas who was baptised in Jan 1725 is the same Christopher son Thomas who was apprenticed in Chipping Sodbury to Daniel Burcombe in 1742? He would have been only 17 which seems very young to become an apprentice attorney. Can you send me the link shows me the record of this apprenticeship or did you already do this and is Christopher's age given in this record?

Thank you so much.

Matt

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Gloucestershire Lookup Requests / Re: Elizabeth Chance nee Gardiner
« on: Thursday 09 September 21 16:30 BST (UK)  »
 Dear Galium

My apologies for not making it clear what I was asking for. When I originally looked in the Forest of Dean website I got distracted looking for the baptism of Christopher in the early 1720s as you had found this record

Christopher GARDINER
christening date: 12 Jan 1725
Monmouth, Gloucestershire, England
Newchurch by Chepstow, Monmouth, England
Father's name: Tho. GARDINER

Newchurch by Chepstow would be considered the Forest of Dean so that is why I was looking for that record in that place. I never considered that the city of Gloucester was part of the Forest of Dean so assumed the marriage allegation was in a different place.
I think it likely they changed their marriage plans and married in a different place and more unlikely and very coincidental that they didnt marry and between 15 Sept 1748 and 4 Sept 1749 they separated and he just happened to meet and marry another Elizabeth.
In 1742 you found the record of Christopher Gardiner son of Thomas being apprenticed to Daniel Burcombe attorney of Chipping Sodbury. Maybe by 1748 1749 he was finishing his apprenticeship and had found employment somewhere else.
I need to find out more about Thomas Gardiner his father. Is there evidence of other children born in Newchurch by Chepstow to Thomas. Is there a record of his wife's name? Was he an attorney as well? What clues should I be looking for to identify the correct Thomas Gardiner which was a quite a common name ?
Is it becoming more intriguing and I inherited from my father and from his father's aunt an heirloom of a minature brass of William Gardiner 1606 to 1632 as well as a photo of his portrait but I cant see how to insert the image here.
Thank you so much for all your help and advice.
Matt

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Gloucestershire Lookup Requests / Re: Elizabeth Chance nee Gardiner
« on: Wednesday 08 September 21 20:59 BST (UK)  »
Dear Galium

I already checked this website and found no mention of their marriage but according to one of your earlier messages according to their marriage license allegation dated sept 15 1748 they were to be married in St. Mary de Crypt in Gloucester which would have occurred later in the autumn 1748 or  spring 1749.

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Gloucestershire Lookup Requests / Re: Elizabeth Chance nee Gardiner
« on: Wednesday 08 September 21 18:46 BST (UK)  »
Have found a link to a document at the National Archives naming many of the Gardiner family members in a court case

https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C10448276
Short title: Partheriche v Gardiner.

Document type: Bill and answer.

Plaintiffs: Edward Partheriche the elder, esq late of Alveston, Warwickshire now of Ely, Cambridgeshire.

Defendants: William Higford, Thomas Gardiner and Catherine Gardiner his wife, William Gardiner the son, Thomas Gardiner the son, Christopher Gardiner, Priscilla Gardiner, Harry Gardiner, Barbara Gardiner and Hannah Gardiner.

Date of bill (or first document): 1730

Can someone view this and explain what was going on in this case? Thank you.

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Gloucestershire Lookup Requests / Re: Elizabeth Chance nee Gardiner
« on: Wednesday 08 September 21 18:35 BST (UK)  »
As you know who Elizabeth's parents are I'm not sure whether you already have this:

Minchinhampton - 4 August 1749  baptism of Elizabeth d/o Christopher and Elizabeth Gardner

Gloucestershire marriage licence allegation: 15 September 1748
                                                            Christopher Gardiner age 23 bachelor of Minchinhampton
                                                            Elizabeth Pool age 21 spinster of Minchinhampton
                                                            to marry at St Mary de Crypt [in Gloucester]

I want to request more information from Galium

Please send me the source link for the information you found for me above earlier this year. Thank you so much.

Matthew Watts

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Gloucestershire Lookup Requests / Re: Elizabeth Chance nee Gardiner
« on: Tuesday 22 June 21 18:26 BST (UK)  »
Thank you Galium for this extra information which is very interesting and expands my knowledge of the Gardiner family.
I would like to know more about the education and professions of the Gardiner family. They seem as if they were all moving in high circles.
Let me know if you find out anymore about Elizabeth, her father Christopher and grandfather Thomas and the possible connection to William and Priscilla Gardiners children stated before.
Thank you so much.
The link below shows Priscilla Gardiner (X2) marrying Pennyston Hastings (9) but shows the mother of Pennyston was Elizabeth Creswicke
http://freepages.rootsweb.com/~dav4is/genealogy/ODTs/HASTINGS.shtml#WINGFIELD7_1

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Gloucestershire Lookup Requests / Re: Elizabeth Chance nee Gardiner
« on: Monday 21 June 21 21:55 BST (UK)  »
Thank you Galium and Capetown for all your help researching Elizabeth Gardiner's family and helping discover her grandfather Thomas.
So Thomas Gardiner was the father of five surviving children according to Christopher Gardiners Will written in 1804 in his 81st year.
According to Galium Warren Hastings (1732-1818) was the son of a Penyston (other spellings also occur) Hastings. Pennyston Hastings married Priscilla Gardiner at Guiting Power, Gloucestershire 18 January 1703/4, and baptised a son of the same name there on 27 February 1704/5.

So Pennyston Hastings baptised 27 Feb 1704/5 married ? was the father of Warren Hastings. Right?

According to the information in my handwritten family tree
William Gardiner 1606 1632 married Ann Hastings daughter of Simon Hastings of Daylesford

William (son of William) 1632 1673 of Daylesford and Guiting Grange married Barbara Horde of Guiting Grange and Daylesford

William (son of William) 1655 1717 of Twining and Daylesford married Priscilla Freeman
and had
William b 23 Dec 1678
Priscilla b 5 Oct 1680
Thomas b 1683
Christopher b 18 Sept 1685
George b 1687
Harrye b 1690

Is Galium's Priscilla Gardiner who married Pennyston Hastings 18 January 1703/4 and the Priscilla Gardiner born 1680 daughter of William Gardiner and Priscilla in my family tree the same person or not?

How are Christopher Gardiner and Warren Hastings related exactly?

Who can help me figure this all out??

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Gloucestershire Lookup Requests / Re: Elizabeth Chance nee Gardiner
« on: Monday 21 June 21 21:16 BST (UK)  »
If you Google

Christopher Gardiner and Warren Hastings

Letters are available to read - from Warren Hastings - one from Park Lane 14 Jan 7, 1792

Dear Sir,

I have taken a great liberty, for which I solicit your pardon in the first place, and Mrs Chance's in the second....... etc. etc..  talking about Mrs Chance to present to her daughter.....

Thank you Capetown
The avid genealogists in my fathers family have had printed copies of three letters between Christopher Gardiner (my great x5 grandfather) and Warren Hastings one dated 1792 and others in 1802 from Daylesford and 1808 from London for more than three generations but no one told me how important Warren Hastings was until I discovered it for myself.
I also have in my possession a miniature brass plate of Christopher's ancestor William Gardiner 1606 1632 who married Warren Hastings ancestor Anne Hastings daughter of Simon Hastings of Daylesford.

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