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Ireland / Re: 1851 Irish Census Search Confusion
« on: Wednesday 13 September 17 05:47 BST (UK)  »
Hi Pharkins - I'm sorry to say, but I don't think your Hugh is the same as the one on this census search form. I mentioned that the Peter here settled in Columbia, Pennsylvania, and it seems some of his other siblings did too, including Cormick, Michael, and... Hugh.

When the Peter I mentioned in Columbia died, the informant listed his birth parents as "William McCall" and "Mary Thomas" of "Drimloost, Ireland." This isn't quite an exact match, but it's pretty close to the parents listed on Cormick's death certificate ("Wm McCall" and "C Thomas" of Drimlost, Ireland) and Hugh ("William McCall" and "Catherine Thomas" of Ireland). The Hugh from Drimalost settled in Steelton, Pennsylvania, near Columbia, and married Annie Keogh. He fathered four children, before passing away in 1913. I'm happy to link you to these documents on Ancestry, if you'd like.

Sorry I couldn't help you prove this link, but hopefully this at least eliminates one of the possible options for you.

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My father, my grandparents and my great grandparents all lived at No 8 Braade Upper. Next door was another Curran family but not relatives.
Our ancestors lived across the street from one another. Yours in house 8 snd mine in house 6 & 7.

I know this is an old thread, but I saw it and couldn't help but reply. My ancestors lived in House 9 in Braade Upper. Don't know what was in the water there, but apparently it's turned us all genealogists.

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Ireland / Re: 1851 Irish Census Search Confusion
« on: Tuesday 06 June 17 14:51 BST (UK)  »
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Did Peter marry? if so, was his wife from Ireland?

He did, but I believe she was American. I think her maiden name was Dennis - don't know where that's from. I'll double check if her family was from Ireland.

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Ireland / Re: 1851 Irish Census Search Confusion
« on: Monday 05 June 17 22:50 BST (UK)  »
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Many people tried their luck!

True! Peter lived to be 75. If that actually was him, I wonder why he never tried again.

And why on earth did his family apparently think he was from "County Mead?"

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Ireland / Re: 1851 Irish Census Search Confusion
« on: Monday 05 June 17 22:03 BST (UK)  »
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Have you checked local church records to see if there were other McCahills in the same area?

Not the church records, but I checked the 1911 census. No Peter McCahills, McCahils, or McCalls within 40 years of the right age that I could find. Will look into church records to double check.

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He didn't have to be in Ireland to apply and may not have returned, just used that address for correspondence.

That would answer so many of my questions, though would perhaps beg the questions a) why didn't he list his US address and b) why bother applying if he knew, even if he was found on the census, that he'd be too young?
And actually, come to think of it, my great-great-grandfather was alive and living in Drimalost until 1916. Why use James Williamson and not his own brother?

Could people living outside Ireland still collect an Irish pension even if they weren't living there?

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Ireland / 1851 Irish Census Search Confusion
« on: Monday 05 June 17 20:50 BST (UK)  »
I've hit a snag in my genealogy work, in that I seem to have stumbled across a relative that was either in two places at once, or I've been completely wrong about a branch of my family tree.

My second great-grandfather, Charles McCahill, was from a townland called Drimalost (formerly Drumnalost) in Co. Donegal. I was very fortunate in that I have his family's information from 1851, because his brother, Peter, submitted a search request for the 1851 census return, in which he named his parents as William and Catherine, and scribbled the names and rough ages for all of his siblings in the margin. According to the National Archives, these census searches were usually carried out by people who wanted to collect a pension in Ireland, as the census records were considered to be a reliable proof of age.

Now I'd taken some of those siblings' names and traced them - I thought reliably - to a town in Lancaster Co., Pennsylvania, in the United States. The problem began when I realized that, among those McCahills, now McCalls, in Pennsylvania, there was a Peter too.

This Peter has a death certificate that seems to match what I know about my family in some respects, but not in others:
  • Pennsylvanian Peter also had a father named William, but his mother is given as Mary Thomas. (Some of the other McCalls in the same town listed their parents as William McCall and Catherine Thomas).
  • The birthplace of his parents is given as "Drimloost," but his own birthplace is given as "County Mead."
  • His birth year is given as 1852. US censuses seems to suggest that he may have even thought he was younger, as his birth year was typically listed as anywhere from 1854-8.
Now, either I have been wrong about the Pennsylvania connection, or the Peter in Pennsylvania and the Peter who did the census search in Ireland are the same person. But why would Peter McCall have gone back to Ireland and submitted a census search request, when he didn't need to collect an Irish pension, especially if he thought he hadn't been born in 1851? This would have entailed traveling to Ireland in February at age 63, since the Peter McCahill who requested the census search was staying on Castle Street in Donegal Town with a Mr. James Williamson. By all accounts, he never got the return either, as it seems the clerk wrote that no return had been found.

tl;dr What reason would someone have had to do a search of the 1851 Irish census if they weren't collecting an Irish pension, or even living in Ireland?

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Technical Help / Re: FAMILY SEARCH PROBLEM
« on: Monday 05 June 17 14:31 BST (UK)  »
Even if you override the block, the website doesn't seem to be working. You can perform a search, but if you try to open a document, you are given an error message. Refreshing redirects to the internal sever error message.

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Technical Help / Re: FAMILY SEARCH PROBLEM
« on: Monday 05 June 17 14:23 BST (UK)  »
Yes. Now they seem to have an internal sever error message up as well.

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United States of America / Re: Curious Missing Relative in Pennsylvania
« on: Tuesday 30 May 17 23:27 BST (UK)  »
Yet, the above children (minus the one early death) only adds up to 10 children.   :-\  Who is the child who was still alive in 1909 yet not mentioned above?

Lisa, I'm so sorry - I completely missed that there had been another response on this thread. You're absolutely right, though. I never noticed the number of children - the mystery thickens! And actually, it thickens further:

Helen and Mary were born in 1909 and were the 11 and 12th children, with one sibling listed as deceased.

I managed to find another one of the children - a Jennie that was born in 1907. She's listed as the 9th child, but I can't find any children born in 1908, or a death certificate for Jennie. The really strange part though is that Jennie says that she's the 9th birth and 7 are alive. So the real question is - who was this child that came back to life?

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