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I've found another match descended from Joshua McCourt, but they are descended from his first marriage, so back to my initial thinking that it's the McCourt side rather than the Brundages!

Thank you.

Interestingly if I search for the surname Brundage in the trees of all my DNA matches, there are a few other matches that are not in this cluster, but show some Brundages much further back (1600s/1700s) from the NY state area. Could just be a coincidence.

Rhoda Brundage's father Joseph Sutton Brundage was a pioneer from New Jersey. His age could fit as a potential candidate, 1842 - 1903. But he was a farmer and what would he be doing in London either!

On Ancestry it says that my most common maternal ommunities include Delaware Valley, Chesapeake & Midwest settlers, and West Virginia, Kentucky & Tennessee settlers. This would fit in with the Brundage line but I guess it could just be that I'm seeing that through Joshua's marriage.

Thank you. I'm wondering now if I've really messed up in my assumption.

It's just that I have about 30 matches in this group and every one that has a tree, they are descended from Joshua.

However something else has occurred to me. They are all descended from his second marriage to Rhoda Evelyn Brundage, none from his first which also resulted in many children.
What if Joshua is a red herring and I am descended from a relative of hers? Her brothers would be too young but her father is a possibility.

I've tied myself up in knots with this.

I'm as confident as I can be that I'm descended from Joshua as opposed to a brother, as I have several of these matches who are all directly descended from him only.

Occupation wise, Canada 1881 he was a trackman; 1900 onwards in the USA he was variously an engineer, coal mine machinist and farmer.

I’m trying to work out how my gt gt grandparents would have ever come into contact for my gt grandfather to have been conceived.

Backstory: my Ancestry DNA matches include a group of shared matches who don’t fit into my family tree, so obviously there has been a non paternal event in the past. It seemed strange because they are all American descended from Mormons and I’m English.
The most recent male that they are all descended from is a Joshua Albert MCCOURT, 1857 – 1937.
I have come to the conclusion that he was my gt gt grandfather who fathered my gt grandfather in 1893 (based on looking at the amount of DNA I share with my matches and what our probable relationships would be; eliminating all the other lines in my tree where my DNA matches confirm what I know on paper; the fact that I have no DNA matches going back on the supposed line)

So here’s what I know…Joshua McCourt was born in Armagh, Northern Ireland in 1857. In 1872 he emigrated to Canada and married his first wife in 1875. They had 7 children together, their last being born in 1888. At some point afterwards he moved to the USA and married his second wife in 1896 and they went on to have 11 children. Anecdotally, one of my DNA matches (Joshua’s grandson) told me that Joshua’s first wife gave birth to a baby who wasn’t white, so he left her and moved to the USA thereafter.

My gt grandfather was George William Teagle SMITH, born in London 1893. His mother was Jane SIMPSON, born 1858. The story around my gt grandfather’s parentage is already pretty confusing – Jane’s husband Edwin SMITH was named on the birth certificate as father, but the death records have him as dying in 1891. My gt grandfather was adopted by a George Thomas TEAGLE. I made a thread about this years ago which covers this more if that helps!

Soooo….my gt grandfather was born between Joshua’s two marriages, but what I really can’t figure out is how he and Jane would have ever met and why. What might be significant is that Jane’s father William Henry SIMPSON was born in Charlemont, Armagh and Joshua McCourt was born in Lurgan, Armargh which are just 18 miles apart. Could they both have been in Ireland at the time I wonder? I’ve tried looking at passenger lists but not sure if I’ve looked at the right thing. Could he have come to London as a Mormon missionary or something?

Any theories would be welcomed!

Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: What does the first crossed out word say?
« on: Wednesday 02 February 22 23:13 GMT (UK)  »
Yes, Matilda Crowhurst is her aunt. I have been looking for Emily on the 1901 and 1911 censuses for literally years, still can't find her in 1901 though!

Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: What does the first crossed out word say?
« on: Wednesday 02 February 22 23:03 GMT (UK)  »
Thank you. If it's who I'm looking for her name wasn't even Mary, it was Emily! But the surname, relation and age do fit.

Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / What does the first crossed out word say?
« on: Wednesday 02 February 22 21:11 GMT (UK)  »
From the 1911 census. I can make out "living at home", but what is the word before? Could it say "still living at home"? Or is it a crossed out surname, possibly Smith? 

London and Middlesex / Re: Ever heard of the West Drayton industrial school?
« on: Tuesday 25 January 22 08:47 GMT (UK)  »
Very interesting, thank you. I've had a Google and this certainly sounds like it was the place.

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