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Messages - Philip Bell

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Caernarvonshire / Re: Horse Jockey & Horse Breaker
« on: Thursday 15 March 18 19:02 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks again to Mabel for finding Elinor and Anne Griffith in 1841 living at Cefyn Isaf, Llanystumdwy. Definitely them because two more children born there in 1841 and 1844 - certificates establish that without a doubt. However, the father Henry (Cae Harry) and his eldest daughter Jane, my GGrandmother still AWOL in 1841. A mystery! Thanks again to everyone for your help
Philip

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Caernarvonshire / Re: Horse Jockey & Horse Breaker
« on: Sunday 04 March 18 15:23 GMT (UK)  »
Fascinating! Thanks Glyn. I've never had any luck with newspaper searches. Must try a search for Bodgauaf Uchaf!

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Caernarvonshire / Re: Horse Jockey & Horse Breaker
« on: Sunday 04 March 18 10:20 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks Nesta. Understood.

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Caernarvonshire / Re: Horse Jockey & Horse Breaker
« on: Saturday 03 March 18 22:43 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks Nesta. Forgive me - ynys cynhaearn?

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Caernarvonshire / Re: Horse Jockey & Horse Breaker
« on: Saturday 03 March 18 22:16 GMT (UK)  »
 Thanks again Mabel for the heads up about the Llanystumdwy birth place of Elinor and Eliseus. I had printed out the 1851 transcription and the original image but stupidly had not read it properly!  :-\

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Caernarvonshire / Re: Horse Jockey & Horse Breaker
« on: Saturday 03 March 18 17:04 GMT (UK)  »
Thank you Glyn and Mabel! I really appreciate your interest and help. On Glyn's comment, Cae Harry's wife Ellin was born at Dolbenmein in 1790 to Jane Williams and William Jones [Achau 57]
Harry's father Henry described as a Singleman, married Ann Hughes at Bryncroes in 1807. [yffor]
My GGrandmother Jane Griffith was also born at Dolbenmaen in 1836 and would have been only 5 at the time of the 1841 census. If anyone has transcribed the Dolbenmein returns some clue may be found there.
Mabel's comment is very interesting as one of my cousins has the diary of my uncle, Jane's grandson and we know he visited Llanystumdwy and we didn't understand his interest in the village. I think I will have to take a closer look at Ellin Jnr. and Anne!

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Caernarvonshire / Re: Horse Jockey & Horse Breaker
« on: Friday 02 March 18 22:24 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks Glyn. The strange thing is I can't find Henry's wife, Ellen or Elinor, or his daughters Jane or Anne either!

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Caernarvonshire / Re: Horse Jockey & Horse Breaker
« on: Friday 02 March 18 15:11 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks everyone. Kay, I made the same mistake and thought that the nickname was a reference to Henry's propensity to falling off. It has ruined a good joke. I haven't found him in the 1841 census which is frustrating and I can only guess he was working as a hired hand maybe on a stud or stable or something! Thanks to Glyn's help in my earlier post I now know that Henry Griffith, born 1809, was the son of Ann Hughes and Henry Griffith who farmed at Bodgauaf  Uchaf just to the south of Bryncroes. His father died in 1819 and Ann carried on farming 120 acres, employing 3 men. (Census 1851) Ann died in 1859 and I assume the tenancy was carried on by another son Richard who died in 1890.

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Caernarvonshire / Horse Jockey & Horse Breaker
« on: Thursday 01 March 18 22:31 GMT (UK)  »
In the 1851 Census, my GGGrandfather Henry Griffith, living at Chapel Row,  Criccieth is described as a horse jockey. In the 1861 and 1871 Census he is described as a horse breaker. By 1881 he was described as a farmer, living at Cefniwrch Bach, Criccieth. In Ceiri Griffith's book he is also known as Cae Harry. Can anyone throw some light on these occupations? Horse breaker I can understand at a time when horses would have been used extensively. But jockey? Any clue as to why he had what I assume was the nickname of Cae Harry?

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