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The Common Room / Re: Stumped of Liverpool
« on: Wednesday 21 August 19 10:25 BST (UK)  »
Thank you so much for all these replies. Not only has it kick-started me again, but I have learned a great deal in the process. I thought that I had widened my parameters sufficiently, but no.  The directories are amazing.
Many many thanks. Greg  :)

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The Common Room / Stumped of Liverpool
« on: Wednesday 21 August 19 08:27 BST (UK)  »
Hi guys, thanks for your help in anticipation of that. I got my paternal family tree back to the early 1500s (not bad for an amateur, I thought?) but the Yin to my Yang has been I've fallen almost at the first hurdle on my maternal side.
I have got back to my Gx3 Grandfather, William JAMESON born 1810/11 at Liverpool and can get nothing further. I came to him via his son, Burgoyne (Berguine) JAMESON b.1851 Liverpool. William would seem to be a cabinet maker or joiner.
Would it be possible for anybody to help with a direction that I might have missed. I have done all the "common" sites, but - nothing.
Also, could anybody suggest where the unusual forename of Burgoyne may emanate from? He had a brother called Houghton. They both struck me as unusual and may provide a clue that I am missing.

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Library and FHS Lookups / Re: DRAWN A BLANK 1790 - PHILLIP PICKLES, BURY
« on: Thursday 22 February 18 18:39 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: Ladyhawk on Sunday 11 February 18 15:14 GMT (UK)
Hello and Welcome to Rootschat  :)

For others looking who might be able to offer further assistance

Is this the family on the 1841 census?

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MQL5-93Y
Kings St. 1, Bury Lancashire
Philip PICKLES 50 Moulder
Ellen 55
Alice 30
Philip 7
Rachel Duckworth 25
all noted as born in this county

Might this be a child of Phillip & Ellen's:
Joshua Pickles born 24 Mar
parents Philip Pickles ,Ellen Pickles, of the Parish of Halifax
Baptism 16 May 1813 Sheffield, Yorkshire, England
Denomination:   Wesleyan
Piece Title:   Piece 3694: Sheffield, Whichfield Chapel, Halifax, (Wesleyan), 1807-1837
from England & Wales, Non-Conformist and Non-Parochial Registers, 1567-1970
Edit~
Quote from: theboxroom on Sunday 11 February 18 14:35 GMT (UK)
I have also confirmed:
Wedding Banns at Halifax 1811 (Spouse Ellen Holme, Bury) (Spells his name Philip Pickels)
Marriage at St Peters Church, Bolton-le-Moor [Bolton]
Census, Bury 1841
Do you know the name of Ellen's parents ?
Sometimes naming patterns can be found within the family

- HI, THANKS FOR THAT. ALL CONFIRMEDAS IS JOSHUA.
- Philip Parkinson Or Pickles born 9th July IS AN INTERESTING FIND. I SHALL EXPLORE THAT FURTHER.

Quote from: trish1120 on Thursday 22 February 18 14:53 GMT (UK)
Philip PIGHLES christened 4 September 1791, Bradford, Yorkshire.
Father JOSHUA Pighles
(Source Familysearch.Org)

EDIT;
The entry above is also on FreeREG;
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HANNAH Pighles 30 Dec 1792, abode Halifax Par (presume Parish),  Father Joshua

- PIGHLES MAY WELL EXPLAIN WHY I CANNOT FIND ANYTHING BEFORE THW TWO I HAVE MENTIONED. THE DISTRICT OF SHELF THAT I MENTION LIES HALF WAY BETWEEN BRADFORD AND HALIFAX AND IS MENTIONED IN BOTH PARISHES. I AM LIVING IN HOPE EHER. MANY THANKS. I REALLY DO APPRECIATE THE HELP. I HOPE THAT I CAN PAY IT FORWARD SOME DAY. :-)

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Family History Beginners Board / All Births registered??
« on: Thursday 22 February 18 14:30 GMT (UK)  »
Can anybody put me out of my misery, please. I am back to 1791 with Philip Pickles (Pickels) and possibly 1767 with James Pickle(s), his father, who both "say?" they were born at (Little) Bolton. I suspect they may have been around Shelf, near Halifax. But - I can find very little as regards either of them at either Bolton or Halifax. Banns, wedding & death for Philip, death for James
So, my question is - would all births in the mid to late 1700s have to be registered? Could it be that James may be another name at birth, e.g. John, Jack etc?
Any help gratefully appreciated.   :'(

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Father’s name of bride at marriage
« on: Saturday 17 February 18 13:55 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks Rosie99. At least I have the end now. I just need to find his beginning. :)

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Family History Beginners Board / Father’s name of bride at marriage
« on: Saturday 17 February 18 13:31 GMT (UK)  »
Does the fact that the bride’s father’s name appears on the record of marriage mean that he was there or could he in fact be deceased? (And I’ve just wasted a fortnight looking for somebody it turns out that I knew was dead?) :'(

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Library and FHS Lookups / Re: DRAWN A BLANK 1790 - PHILLIP PICKLES, BURY
« on: Sunday 11 February 18 17:05 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Ladyhawk. I think that you are correct with Joshua. All the information fits, as do the dates and occupation.
The Phillip that you identify, I think is a grandson, but I have found what I believe to be Phillip the son age 7 years from the 1841 census.
I tried Ellen for any family, but as yet, I'm struggling. I'm sure that you know the feeling better than me, but my head is swimming at the minute. I need to get my scrawled notes in some sort of order. but - bright side - I'm learning all the time. Thanks for your help. :)

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Library and FHS Lookups / Drawn a blank 1790 - Phillip PICKLES, Bury
« on: Sunday 11 February 18 14:35 GMT (UK)  »
I have resumed by family history search after some time and managed to get back to the birth of my relative, Phillip PICKLES in 1790, I believe, at Bury, Lancs. I have also confirmed:
Wedding Banns at Halifax 1811 (Spouse Ellen Holme, Bury) (Spells his name Philip Pickels)
Marriage at St Peters Church, Bolton-le-Moor [Bolton]
Census, Bury 1841
Burial Wesleyan Methodist Church, Union St, Bury 1849
I can show three of his relatives forward of 1815, Alice, Phillip and John.
My "newby untrained" question is - how to I push this backwards now? How do I find his parents and what other children he may have had? I have registered for assorted commercial websites with little success. I have tried LancashireBMD & lan-opc but am spiralling round in circles. I'm more than happy to do the work, but am clueless as to how to dig back further.
Is there any kind soul who can give me a nudge in the right direction please?
Many thanks in anticipation, Greg  :)

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