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Caernarvonshire / Re: The Druid Arms Inn, Dean St. & The Old England Inn, Lon Pobdy, Bangor
« on: Wednesday 05 May 21 10:53 BST (UK)  »
Many thanks for the maps.
As you can see the chapel was sandwiched between The Plough and The Old England. Complaints of rowdiness and domestic rows between the licencees of the Old England: Mrs Sifaralah Hughes and her husband appeared in the press. They were alleged to allow drinking on the Sabbath and caused ‘drunks’ to disturb a ‘smoking concert’ nearby (Caernarvon & Denbigh Herald, Oct. 2nd 1891). Pressured by increasing urbanisation, Nonconformity and a failure to manage the pub, it’s not surprising the Petty Sessions of October 1891 refused to renew its licence. The Old England did not appear in subsequent decennial censuses. The Plough was demolished to make the Caellepa Road at the junction with Lôn Pobty.
Residential accretion around Lôn Pobty were partly responsible for the demise of both its taverns and a form of ‘gentrification’ saw Ebenezer Chapel renamed Park Hill as well as Lôn Pobty itself between the 1871 – ’91 censuses.
 

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Caernarvonshire / Re: Houses buried under Penrhyn Quarry
« on: Sunday 12 April 20 07:44 BST (UK)  »
The Gwynedd Family History Society have also done it: M270 has a comprehensive list of graves and memorials. I guess you helped compile this?
Incidentally, the mill on the Afon Galedffrwd by Afon Ogwen is now converted into a dwelling. There's also a trial adit to the left of Pont Sarnau on the path that leads past the ruined church.

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Caernarvonshire / Re: Houses buried under Penrhyn Quarry
« on: Saturday 11 April 20 09:26 BST (UK)  »
When I'm allowed into St Tegai, I'll look for these references, thank you.
Tanysgrafell is indeed a ruined church. It was built as a mortuary Chapel and its graveyard was open in 1848 with the last burial in 1813. The building was used as a Sunday School until the '40s. It was used in conjunction with St Anns (both). There are about 260 graves still there and in a dreadful state with trees growing through them; an absolute jungle!

GLAN MEURIG
Does anyone have any information on this terrace of 6 houses which were on the B4409, between Bont Twr and Grisiau Cochion?
I have gone through the censuses from 1841 and they were uninhabited in the 1911 summary books. They weren't buried under the tips and I guess that were simply demolished either to widen the road or that they were too dilapidated.

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Caernarvonshire / Re: Houses buried under Penrhyn Quarry
« on: Saturday 04 April 20 11:59 BST (UK)  »
Sorry: 1st vicar was 1812.

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Caernarvonshire / Re: Houses buried under Penrhyn Quarry
« on: Saturday 04 April 20 11:58 BST (UK)  »
Diolch yn fawr iawn!!
This is the evidence I was hoping would appear to confirm St Ann's was built between 1812-13. I can't thank you enough for your diligent research. How can I locate this publication? The 1st vicar was appointed in 1912.
Anna Susannah Warburton was the wife of Richard Pennant and she died in 1816 so there might be a will in the Penrhyn Papers in Bangor Uni. Archives (sadly closed for now) which shows she carried out Richard's wishes.
Thanks too for the information about the organ. The organ in Llandegai church came from Penrhyn Castle and is on the west gallery. The casework was designed by Thomas Hopper, the castle's builder but we don't know who made the organ itself. It might be that the original St Ann's church was designed by either Samuel or Benjamin Wyatt in the style of Llandegai. Here's a slate engraving of it in 1836 and shows a tower but no transepts:

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Caernarvonshire / Re: Houses buried under Penrhyn Quarry
« on: Friday 03 April 20 09:09 BST (UK)  »
Thank you so much for the photos.
The picture is of Llandegai Church. I'm assuming you haven't posted St Ann's yet but you say they are similar?
Llandegai does go back to the 15th c as there's a tomb of John William (Archbishop of York) of Cochwillan (1581-1650). The picture you have is from the north side of Llandegai and you can see in the distance the Great Orme and Penmaenmawr. What's interesting is the circular wall surrounding the church and the door arch in the south nave which are not there today.

Thanks for the Bethesda picture; I've not seen this before. It's opposite the police station and near Bethesda Chapel and 'siop no 1'.

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Caernarvonshire / Re: Houses buried under Penrhyn Quarry
« on: Monday 30 March 20 09:17 BST (UK)  »
Hi Quarryman,
A drawing of the original St Ann's church; is there anyway you can display it here? I'd love to see it. There's a slate engraving of the church from 1836 in this article in Hanes Dyffryn Ogwen:[/
https://hanesdyffrynogwen.wordpress.com/2016/12/31/llyn-meurig/

It appears with a tower but without transepts. Does your picture correspond and do you know when it was drawn?

The chronology of the buried houses can be determined from the 1848 Penrhyn Tithe map, the OS maps and the censuses from 1841 to 1939. The area can be divided into 2 for clarity. First, South of Llyn Meurig and nearest the hospital: these were Hall, Bryn Llwyd1 and Dol y Parc which went between 1881 - 91. Further south were Traws y Ffordd, Ty'n y Coed, Bryn Llwyd2, Mount Pleasant and the hospital. Ty'n y Coed went first in about 1960 then the others during mid-60s when McAlpine modernised the quarry. The hospital was partly demolished in 1978.
The 2nd area is north of Llyn Meurig called Bryn Llys. It's difficult to give dates because there were no names to the 11 or so houses in the area but it's safe to assume those closest to the tips went first. This was St Ann, then the houses along the Pennant road and finally the large house near Grisiau Cochion called Bryn Llys. This was probably the original vicarage and was last occupied in the 1881 census. The very last house was on Lon Goch; last lived in by brother and sister: Moses and Jane Jones (1939 register). It's a ruin now and I was there before the present curfew!

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Caernarvonshire / Re: Houses buried under Penrhyn Quarry
« on: Sunday 29 March 20 11:25 BST (UK)  »
Thank you for your very informative message about the original St Ann's Church.
I have some evidence that it was built in about 1812 St Ann's Centenary Souvenir; Gwynedd Family History  Soc. Memorial Inscriptions No M396. The 1st incumbent was Morris Hughes (1812-1860). However, I have the same doubts as you when you consider that it was named after the wife of Richard Pennant, Anne Susannah Warburton (1745-1814) and Richard had died in 1808 so it's a bit late to build it in 1812 when George Hay Dawkins had inherited the estate by then. Do you have concrete evidence? I also think the vicarage was the large house called Bryn Llys - just below Lon Goch and it was inhabited in the 1881 census by David Pritchard - a quarry agent, with his wife, family and 3 servants.
Thank you too for the information about your grandfather. The M396 lists the following organists/choirmasters but has no dates: Evan W Thomas Ty'n Clwt uchaf and later of Bangor, John Hughes - son of the above - (Eos Ceraint), Tai Duon, Coed y parc, Johnny Hughes, Cherry Cottage, Bryn Eglwys, Thomas Jones, Penygroes, Tregarth, Edmund Vale, Bethesda and William baden Powell Evans, Coed y parc in 1965.
Any additional information of the area would be most welcome.
Diolch.

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Caernarvonshire / Houses buried under Penrhyn Quarry
« on: Sunday 08 March 20 08:30 GMT (UK)  »
I'm researching 5 houses that were buried under the slate tips of Penrhyn Quarry near the old hospital. I'm particularly interested in photos and information about Traws(Tros) y ffordd, Ty'n y coed, Bryn Llwyd and Mount Pleasant. There was a second Bryn Llwyd - a terrace similar to those at Caeberllan or Grisiau Cochion and it was very near the hospital.
I would also be interested in the area north of Llyn Meurig called Bryn Llys which was near Lon Goch (near Grisiau Cochion). This is near the original St Ann's church built in 1812 and was also buried.

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