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Essex / Re: Richard Aylott/Aylett married at Little Canfield 1669
« on: Tuesday 04 July 23 22:55 BST (UK) »
I assume this wasn't your Charles Deeks? https://www.essexarchivesonline.co.uk/result_details.aspx?ThisRecordsOffSet=1&id=1096726
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Essex / Re: Richard Aylott/Aylett married at Little Canfield 1669
« on: Tuesday 04 July 23 22:30 BST (UK) »
Ag lab men could marry late given the need to have enough income to support a family, though this was more usual I think for sons of farmers who waited until they inherited. Marriage ages on the whole seemed to drop during this century: and there was a fertility issue for women of course. 27 was very late for a woman's first marriage.
Some Ayletts were NCs especially in that part of Essex: Charles, born around 1758 in Wethersfield and a carpenter in Bocking, was an Independent; he has daughters baptised at the Bocking Independent Meeting House in the 1790s, too late to be useful for your marriage, and anyway a carpenter's daughter would not necessarily marry an ag lab. There was also an earlier Quaker family in Gosfield; suspect other Aylett NCs too. The 1753 act as far as I remember forced NCs to marry in a CoE.
Some Ayletts were NCs especially in that part of Essex: Charles, born around 1758 in Wethersfield and a carpenter in Bocking, was an Independent; he has daughters baptised at the Bocking Independent Meeting House in the 1790s, too late to be useful for your marriage, and anyway a carpenter's daughter would not necessarily marry an ag lab. There was also an earlier Quaker family in Gosfield; suspect other Aylett NCs too. The 1753 act as far as I remember forced NCs to marry in a CoE.
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Essex / Re: Richard Aylott/Aylett married at Little Canfield 1669
« on: Tuesday 04 July 23 21:18 BST (UK) »
And on Rachel: now this isn't a usual Aylett name at least in this period. The only one I have was bap 27 Oct 1734 in Rettendon to a Richard and Mary - seems a bit early for a 1779 marriage.
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Essex / Re: Richard Aylott/Aylett married at Little Canfield 1669
« on: Tuesday 04 July 23 21:09 BST (UK) »
Sarah is one of those well-used Aylett names so unless you have other information it could be hard to locate the one in this marriage. It's true that the Paling one is geographically close; however there is a Hawkwell one bap 25 Feb 1770 whose parents are John and Sarah; she has a lot of younger siblings. There is also a Hatfield Broad Oak bap to a Thomas and Mary 5 Aug 1770; a Dagenham one to a Thomas and Sarah 13 Jan 1773; and others though further away. But I'd worry about the age at marriage for a woman bap 1770; moreover illegitimate children were often sent away to service if female. Are Turner and wife still about in the 1841 census? Any idea what his occupation was?
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Essex / Re: Richard Aylott/Aylett married at Little Canfield 1669
« on: Saturday 08 December 18 10:38 GMT (UK) »
I think I missed this when i was chatting earlier in the year. I track Aylett families so I have a database with quite a lot of them in it.
I have two Hannah Aylett's of the right sort of age. One is a daughter of Robert Aylett (a fairly well-to-do clothier) and Mary Wall in Braintree. They had at least ten children according to their wills - Robert: PCC will 1657 folio 492 Robert Aylett, clothier, of
Braintree; Mary: PCC will 1659 folio 354 Mary relict of Robert of Braintree but as the Braintree PR doesn't go that far back I have no baps for them nor do I have the actual marriage. However she does have a sister Mary as well as brothers Thomas, John, Richard, Robert, Moses. The Richard is a candidate for the one that marries Ann Brett in Aveley, the John remains a clothier in Bocking, Thomas also stays in Bocking, Robert goes into the wine trade and die in oporto, Moses becomes a draper in London. However there isn't one called Daniel in any of the wills.
The other Hannah is bap 1661 in Braintree daughter of a Matthias and Hannah. However the mother dies soon after the child is born; if I am correct Matthias moves to Colchester and marries twice more, having daughters Elizabeth and Susan.
I have three possible Daniels listed but none of them as baps: one marries twice in 1650 and 1656 in Colchester and seems a bit too old to Hannah's brother; the next is only known from a will 1682, Tollesbury, which mentions a wife Anne and son Daniel who sounds like he is still a child, but no other children; then there is the Society of Friends Gosfield one who at a guess was born in the 1690s and is too young to be Hannah's brother I would have thought. Any evidence Hannah was Society of friends?
I could concoct a story that Robert/Mary wall have a son Daniel who becomes a Quaker and is cut off from the family, but this is stretching it a bit...
I have two Hannah Aylett's of the right sort of age. One is a daughter of Robert Aylett (a fairly well-to-do clothier) and Mary Wall in Braintree. They had at least ten children according to their wills - Robert: PCC will 1657 folio 492 Robert Aylett, clothier, of
Braintree; Mary: PCC will 1659 folio 354 Mary relict of Robert of Braintree but as the Braintree PR doesn't go that far back I have no baps for them nor do I have the actual marriage. However she does have a sister Mary as well as brothers Thomas, John, Richard, Robert, Moses. The Richard is a candidate for the one that marries Ann Brett in Aveley, the John remains a clothier in Bocking, Thomas also stays in Bocking, Robert goes into the wine trade and die in oporto, Moses becomes a draper in London. However there isn't one called Daniel in any of the wills.
The other Hannah is bap 1661 in Braintree daughter of a Matthias and Hannah. However the mother dies soon after the child is born; if I am correct Matthias moves to Colchester and marries twice more, having daughters Elizabeth and Susan.
I have three possible Daniels listed but none of them as baps: one marries twice in 1650 and 1656 in Colchester and seems a bit too old to Hannah's brother; the next is only known from a will 1682, Tollesbury, which mentions a wife Anne and son Daniel who sounds like he is still a child, but no other children; then there is the Society of Friends Gosfield one who at a guess was born in the 1690s and is too young to be Hannah's brother I would have thought. Any evidence Hannah was Society of friends?
I could concoct a story that Robert/Mary wall have a son Daniel who becomes a Quaker and is cut off from the family, but this is stretching it a bit...
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Essex / Re: Richard Aylott/Aylett married at Little Canfield 1669
« on: Thursday 05 April 18 16:55 BST (UK) »
I agree the Albury story makes more sense like that; I think you are still some way short of knowing which Mathew it was.
On the Daniel Aylett issue raised by coombs (I think we might have talked Ayletts before?) - you cannot assume all Ayletts are closely related. The families spread out and get severely pruned. Very interested by the will - it's hard to find info from relatives. I have a Daniel Aylett associated with Gosfield in this period, which isn't far from Great Leighs. He did have a daughter Mary but also seems to have died quite young - there is a will from him. And the other thing is that he was a Society of Friends man. Daniel (like Matthew) is not the most common of Aylett names: I have one buried in Chelmsford in 1814, one buried Mountnessing 1806, then a set of largely 17th C ones, bap 1617/18 High Roding, one married Colchester 1650, one with a 1682 will in Tollesbury, also with a probably rather young son Daniel, and the Gosfield one who dies around 1726 and has a son bap 1723. No links to the Matthew-related families we were talking about as far as I know..
On the Daniel Aylett issue raised by coombs (I think we might have talked Ayletts before?) - you cannot assume all Ayletts are closely related. The families spread out and get severely pruned. Very interested by the will - it's hard to find info from relatives. I have a Daniel Aylett associated with Gosfield in this period, which isn't far from Great Leighs. He did have a daughter Mary but also seems to have died quite young - there is a will from him. And the other thing is that he was a Society of Friends man. Daniel (like Matthew) is not the most common of Aylett names: I have one buried in Chelmsford in 1814, one buried Mountnessing 1806, then a set of largely 17th C ones, bap 1617/18 High Roding, one married Colchester 1650, one with a 1682 will in Tollesbury, also with a probably rather young son Daniel, and the Gosfield one who dies around 1726 and has a son bap 1723. No links to the Matthew-related families we were talking about as far as I know..
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Essex / Re: Richard Aylott/Aylett married at Little Canfield 1669
« on: Wednesday 04 April 18 00:18 BST (UK) »
Thanks for the very interesting information. My name is Ruth Aylett and rather than trying to bend the email prohibition here I suggest you google for me - I work at Heriot-Watt University.
You'll be aware that having someone move area is very tricky because it is hard to prove they are the same person. So how confident are you that the Little Canfield Matthew is the one that appears in Albury?
I ask because there is a Matthew Aylett having children in Aveley from 1621, first with a wife Mary and then with one Dorothy. Aveley is certainly a lot further from Little Canfield than Albury is, but on the other hand the names of the children of this pair overlap a great deal with the names of those of Richard and Elizabeth Brett, which proves nothing but suggested to me that this Matthew was a good candidate for the Aveley family. I will admit too that I have not yet checked the dates with the actual PRs, but have taken these from FreeReg transcriptions - which has this Matthew as bap Jul 1688 rather than the Jul 1692 you have. Maybe this one died young and your guy was a successor?
Other Matthews around at the right sort of time: there is a Matthew bap 1 Jan 1691 in Takeley, parents John Aylett and Sarah Lavender, who vanishes form the area - no burial, marriage, kids. There is mention of an earlier Matthew in Takeley - his wife Mary was the victim of a rape in 1652 according to SEAX (my earliest Takeley Aylett event).
Then there is one bap 29 May 1685 in Great Dunmow, again with no burial marriage or kids there. This last one is the son of a Matthew and Anne pair and is the only child recorded there, suggesting that they had ties somewhere else.
Again, I have the Albury Matthew(s) having some children with names you do not find among the Essex Ayletts, notably Jonathan (no examples in Essex families until the 19thC) and Joseph (only instances in Halstead in this period).
My other question is how sure you are that Thomas 1731 is the son of Matthew 1716 and not of his father? There is only a 15 year gap between the two baps, which might make it unlikely? Moreover Thomas would then be the eldest of Matthew 1716's children, and while naming gets a bit less rigid in the 18thC, most families are still using their father's or their own name for their first child. Maybe the Matthew bap 1734 is a more likely first child for Matthew 1716? However I don't have any burials for Albury, and it could be that this would clarify which Matthew has which children.
My Essex records have reasonable scope but I have less on Herts Ayletts, and so it could be that there are some other Matthews in Herts too, though I assume you have checked this for the period you are looking at?
Apologies for so many questions and so few answers.
Ruth
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You'll be aware that having someone move area is very tricky because it is hard to prove they are the same person. So how confident are you that the Little Canfield Matthew is the one that appears in Albury?
I ask because there is a Matthew Aylett having children in Aveley from 1621, first with a wife Mary and then with one Dorothy. Aveley is certainly a lot further from Little Canfield than Albury is, but on the other hand the names of the children of this pair overlap a great deal with the names of those of Richard and Elizabeth Brett, which proves nothing but suggested to me that this Matthew was a good candidate for the Aveley family. I will admit too that I have not yet checked the dates with the actual PRs, but have taken these from FreeReg transcriptions - which has this Matthew as bap Jul 1688 rather than the Jul 1692 you have. Maybe this one died young and your guy was a successor?
Other Matthews around at the right sort of time: there is a Matthew bap 1 Jan 1691 in Takeley, parents John Aylett and Sarah Lavender, who vanishes form the area - no burial, marriage, kids. There is mention of an earlier Matthew in Takeley - his wife Mary was the victim of a rape in 1652 according to SEAX (my earliest Takeley Aylett event).
Then there is one bap 29 May 1685 in Great Dunmow, again with no burial marriage or kids there. This last one is the son of a Matthew and Anne pair and is the only child recorded there, suggesting that they had ties somewhere else.
Again, I have the Albury Matthew(s) having some children with names you do not find among the Essex Ayletts, notably Jonathan (no examples in Essex families until the 19thC) and Joseph (only instances in Halstead in this period).
My other question is how sure you are that Thomas 1731 is the son of Matthew 1716 and not of his father? There is only a 15 year gap between the two baps, which might make it unlikely? Moreover Thomas would then be the eldest of Matthew 1716's children, and while naming gets a bit less rigid in the 18thC, most families are still using their father's or their own name for their first child. Maybe the Matthew bap 1734 is a more likely first child for Matthew 1716? However I don't have any burials for Albury, and it could be that this would clarify which Matthew has which children.
My Essex records have reasonable scope but I have less on Herts Ayletts, and so it could be that there are some other Matthews in Herts too, though I assume you have checked this for the period you are looking at?
Apologies for so many questions and so few answers.
Ruth
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Essex / Re: Richard Aylott/Aylett married at Little Canfield 1669
« on: Monday 02 April 18 21:02 BST (UK) »
Not sure of you got any further with this - it's a while since you posted?
I follow Ayletts in general (not just my own branch), so I'd noted this marriage and subsequent children, but intrigued that you say there is an Albury connection. I have sons John, Richard, Matthew, James, and wondered which was your ancestor?
For the marriage in 1669 I have checked out Essex Richard Ayletts of a 1640 vintage - there aren't so many in my database. There is one bap to a Richard Aylett in Takeley in 1664, but also a burial there for a Richard in 1687, so it probably isn't the same guy.
There is a baptism in White Notley in March 1640 to an Arthur and Margaret; this one is a little bit old for the marriage, but a possible. The third Richard reference is one born at some point after 1640, probably in Braintree, to Robert Aylett and Mary Wall. This is a well-to-do family, and may be plausible given a) the second of the Little Canfield Richard's sons is called Robert; b) elsewhere at least the Bretts were also well-to-do and there is at least one earlier Aylett-Brett marriage.
The Herts Ayletts are a bit of a nightmare because of the Aylott thing - not at all sure they are the same family in spite of the closeness of the names, but of course who knows? And Aylett is misspelled so much, even in Essex where the name was better known, that morphing to/from Aylott may well take place. The habit in 16th/17th writing of writing an 'e' as an'o' with a bar across it has led to some mistranscription too, but in general Aylott isn't found in Essex.
Anyway, if you are still tracking this stuff, it would be good to talk over your Albury trail, and of course if I have any other useful data, happy to help.
I follow Ayletts in general (not just my own branch), so I'd noted this marriage and subsequent children, but intrigued that you say there is an Albury connection. I have sons John, Richard, Matthew, James, and wondered which was your ancestor?
For the marriage in 1669 I have checked out Essex Richard Ayletts of a 1640 vintage - there aren't so many in my database. There is one bap to a Richard Aylett in Takeley in 1664, but also a burial there for a Richard in 1687, so it probably isn't the same guy.
There is a baptism in White Notley in March 1640 to an Arthur and Margaret; this one is a little bit old for the marriage, but a possible. The third Richard reference is one born at some point after 1640, probably in Braintree, to Robert Aylett and Mary Wall. This is a well-to-do family, and may be plausible given a) the second of the Little Canfield Richard's sons is called Robert; b) elsewhere at least the Bretts were also well-to-do and there is at least one earlier Aylett-Brett marriage.
The Herts Ayletts are a bit of a nightmare because of the Aylott thing - not at all sure they are the same family in spite of the closeness of the names, but of course who knows? And Aylett is misspelled so much, even in Essex where the name was better known, that morphing to/from Aylott may well take place. The habit in 16th/17th writing of writing an 'e' as an'o' with a bar across it has led to some mistranscription too, but in general Aylott isn't found in Essex.
Anyway, if you are still tracking this stuff, it would be good to talk over your Albury trail, and of course if I have any other useful data, happy to help.
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