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Forfarian,
Sorry to go on again about deciphering the suffix to "Campbeton" in Alexander's 1851 census entry, but I was wondering whether the good scan you kindly obtained from SP covered the whole page? And if so, could I view it ? ( - SP don't appear to have replaced their previous very unclear scan with it so far).

I have in mind examining the enumerator's writing on the rest of the page, to see if I can make sense of that infuriating last few letters.

Thanks!
Potterer.

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Forfarian, - thanks, good tip - I'll check the UK National Archives too, although as Jebber says, at least some refer back to the NAS  (is that still their name?)

Jebber - I have looked at the records referred to there, but with limited success so far - always tricky to work out whats worth following from the descriptions alone - I need to try to spend some time hands-on I guess.

Re the local militia service issue you raise - I do know that the Inverness 10th Militia were in Edinburgh (Musselburgh) in the early 1800's , before they marched down to Portsmouth ( -they had the luxury of a ship back to inverness eventually!   Softies). Thats why I'm also interested to find out what the Edinburgh 10th were upto at the time.

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Hello Forfarian!  Good to see you are on the case.. (and Don M too - just saw your post)

Briefly, re the NAS, yes I have, but no I haven't found too much yet - I did find the 1809 Description Book for the Edinburgh Militia (which I have seen), and which gives very useful information on the men in each Company, but I haven't found anything so far to indicate the Edinburh 10th's movements- if any.

The Edinburgh City Archives had the following related to this, as far as I could see, which from the decriptions did not appear to be obviously  useful for my purpose, though I haven't been to see them yet:-

- Rolls of men recorded in Edinburgh for auxiliary and regular forces 1796 – 1857. Parish Lists 1802. Oaths of Militiamen .Miscellaneous material. (thousands of men with physical descriptions. Unfortunately there is no nominal index…)

SL127 Militia Records 1717-1894, includes militia lists, assessments, lists of persons liable to serve, lieutenancy records, correspondence, financial records & correspondence

SL54  Army attestation registers 1794-1887.

SL12/81  Pamphlet on the County of the City of Edinburgh Militia, Gentlemen and Yeomanry and Volunteer Infantry   SL127/12/2 (listed Under Ref Code GB 0236 SL12, Misc Items & Deposits)

I'm not sure yet how I'd go about identifying other possible "10th Militias" in Scotland with any confidence.

I confess that (a) I'm not totally confident in my ability to search the NAS etc online effectively, and (b) I rather hoped that some kindly soul could wave a magic wand, having done similar research already !!

Otherwise I'll plod on...
Potterer.

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Does anyone know how I can find out the movements of the 10th (Edinburgh) Regiment of the North British Militia, commanded by the Duke of Buccleuch, in the 1800's, the Napoleonic War period?

My ancestor Alexander Grant is shown as a member of the "10th Militia" in OPR's of his children born in Edinburgh at this time, but not which one - I do know that there was also an Inverness 10th Militia, and actually now believe that he was a member of this, and born in Campbelltown (Ardersier), Inverness, around 1775 (- as explained in my separate topic post about his elusive marriage to Mary Rollins, http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=794043.0 , which produced some very useful information from RootChatters.)

I'm pretty convinced that his was the Inverness 10th, and not the Edinburgh 10th, but I'm just trying to eliminate the possibility that he could have been a member of yet another "10th Militia" - does anyone know if there were any other "10th Militias" in Scotland at this time, apart from these two?

Also, although I have found details of the Inverness 10th Militia's movements, as mentioned in my other post, ( - they went down to Portsmouth at one point -) I have no information about the movements of the Edinburgh 10th to relate to what I know about Alexander - again, does anyone know where I can find out if they ever left Edinburgh, and where they went in this period (upto about 1815) ?

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Well, thats a pretty impressive response by you and SP, Forfarian!

The "Campbeton" looks pretty clear now, which is the crucial bit, and good to have, but like you I have no idea what the last couple of letters are, or mean.

Thanks for all that!
Potterer.

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Forfarian and Millmoor,
Ah, "Campbeton In"(verness, presumably...) would make a lot of sense, given our now rather extensive discussions !

I'm mightily relieved that you are seeing (most) of what I thought I was seeing - plus that crucial extra bit.
Madness temporarily averted...

It will be very interesting to see the results if SP is able to get a clearer scan - could you possibly let me know if so, please?   

Thanks very much for pursuing all this ( and those erroneous archive sites) to the nth degree!
I'm very grateful to you both.

Potterer

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Forfarian,
Many thanks again for all the useful information.

I can see what you mean about the Kirk Session records - I did find a scanned copy of the Inverness Kirk Session online - a very interesting glimpse into the concerns and squabbles of the kirk and its folk, but a lifetime to search for anything specific, as you say - unless and until there's something like automated scanning of them  to create searchable text anyway.

Thanks too for the very useful placefinder link to https://scotlandsplaces.gov.uk/places in your other post re place names, although at a quick glance I still don't find Ardersier suggested as an alternative when searching for Campbelltown there, or vice versa.   Maybe its me.

Also, your sound advice to confirm the Parish and County when searching place names gets me wondering - the birthplace of "my" Alexander Grant in the 1851 Census*  looks rather like "Campbeton pa", which I took to mean possibly "Campbelltown parish" - BUT from what you say, Campbelltown was the name of the village ONLY , it was not the parish name.   The parish was Ardersier.     Am I going mad?!

* (1851 Census St. Cuthberts Edinburgh, 76[?] Crosscauseway, Alexander Grant aged 75, retired shoemaker, GROS/SP reference 685/02 149/02 007)

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Forfarian:- Many thanks for all your very helpful information, duly noted.
I does look as if my chances of finding the Grant/Rollins marriage aren't too good, but I'll keep trying.

Someone did suggest that Kirk Session records may be useful, especially if the pair fell foul of the Elders! I'm not sure if they are accessible / searchable though.

Many thanks again.
Potterer.


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Many thanks to all for your prompt replies.

Forfarian - thanks for the background on Ardersier, I should have got the right county too.. !

I puzzled for ages about Alexander's birthplace in the 1851 Census, which looks rather like "Campbeton Pa " . The only Campbelltown I found in the gazetteers I used was the Argyll one, and I tripped over Ardersier/Campbelltown ( also Stewarton, next door I believe,) by accident.

Fort George there is very impressive and well worth a visit - the Highlanders Museum in the fort  there has very helpful staff and useful records too, which I was able to use to track the movements of the Inverness 10th Militia.

You are quite right about going to primary sources, of course.... 
The info on IGI does correspond with later Census records of the grandchildren -
it seems from what you say that they won't appear in the OPR's because they appear to have been registered with the Bread Street Relief Presbyterian congregation in Edinburgh.

Pennines - thanks for the Irregular Marriage information - as a militiaman its not unlikely for Alexander I guess - and thanks for checking military marriages.
The Border marriages would be worth checking. as you suggest.

Forfarian again:- I wonder what percentage of 18th century marriages etc weren't recorded?

I did read that the fee introduced (by George?) to register BMD's meant that very poor folk sometimes didn't bother, if cash was short.

Your point on Episcopalian marriage records not on Scotland's People is interesting  in the light of my comment above about the later Bread Street Presbyterian congregation, whose Minister, Reverend James Scott, married Alexander's son George, and Janet Borthwick in 1831, and (pace your IGI comment) at which George's children were possibly recorded too.

I wonder why George changed religious allegiance from that of his father?

Alexander's children and second marriage were all registered at St. Cuthbert's, Edinburgh -I wonder if Alexander was sympathetic to non-conformism (right word in Scotland?) too at the time of his first marriage, which I seek?

Are there any records of Episcopalian BMD's? - and if so where, please?

Many thanks for your trouble reading all this !

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