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Isle of Man / Re: Frances LUCAS Marriage circa 1854
« on: Wednesday 09 May 18 13:40 BST (UK)  »
Also - thanks for the other information you provided and the time you spend digging it out.  I have the newspaper clippings but not the Directory information which is all useful information. Frances died in 1883, so no need to look for her after that date.

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Isle of Man / Re: Frances LUCAS Marriage circa 1854
« on: Wednesday 09 May 18 11:27 BST (UK)  »
Hi Lisa,

Thank you very much for your reply.  I have traced the 4 children of Frances and Henry and the marriages and sadly early deaths of each of them.  George P(arker) Allen was the only one to have children and I have traced them through to 1940s but no further.

Frances has been relatively easy to trace from Isle of Man records, but Henry is proving difficult, as I can’t find any definitive proof of his date or place of birth.  I can’t find him before 1860, when he is enumerated twice in San Francisco on the Federal Census, and his children all give different places of birth for him on subsequent censuses.  My belief is that he was born circa 1815 somewhere near Providence in Rhode Island, but I haven’t been able to confirm that.  I was hoping that the marriage record for Henry and Frances would give his father’s name, which would narrow down my search considerably.  I have contacted a likely Church in Providence to check for baptisms around that time and am waiting to hear back from them.

Very grateful for any further help 😊


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Isle of Man / Re: Frances LUCAS Marriage circa 1854
« on: Sunday 06 May 18 16:03 BST (UK)  »
Hi Milliepede - sorry have been offline for a few days. Yes you have found the right family in 1861 in San Francisco. Henry died in 1865 in a shipping disaster. I can’t locate him for certain in 1851 as Henry Allen is quite a common name and he could be in US, UK or somewhere in between!  The family is actually enumerated twice in 1861(but it is definitely the same family) with both Henry and Frances giving different ages and for Henry a different place of birth. Not helpful!

I don’t think Frances or any of the children went back to Isle of Man after Henry’s death, although Frances does appear in some legal papers selling property on IOM in the years before and after.  At least one of her sisters also married (on Isle of Man) and went to live in San Francisco so I believe there was family contact.

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Isle of Man / Frances LUCAS Marriage circa 1854
« on: Wednesday 02 May 18 15:46 BST (UK)  »
I have just joined this Group in this hope that someone can help me find the marriage of Frances LUCAS to Henry ALLEN around 1854. 

Frances was the daughter of Thomas Edward LUCAS and Ann CHRISTIAN and lived at Lewaigue, Manghold. She was baptised there in 1826. By 1856 Frances and Henry had moved to USA and had their first child there.  I have exhausted the online marriage records (FamilySearch, Ancestry, FindMyPast) for Isle of Man, and am hoping that someone out there might be researching the same family.  The Lucas family seem to have been fairly prosperous, and other family marriages are reported in the local newspapers but I can't find this marriage for looking.  In Henry's obituary his marriage is given as 1854 - of course I don't know where the obituary writer got his information, but Frances was living at home, unmarried, in the 1851 census, so the marriage must have taken place between 1851 and 1856.  They could have married in USA but, again, I can't find any likely records and surely it seems unlikely that a girl from a good family would have travelled with a man, unmarried. I cannot find any record of her arriving in USA before this either.

Henry worked on the Liverpool Steam Packet Line so there is a small possibility they married on the mainland, but I just can't find any likely record. 

I am hoping someone might be able to help find marriage, or be researching the same family.  Frances was one of 6 sisters (Elinor Christian, Frances, Matilda, Alicia, Julia and Evalina, and one brother William).   

Very grateful for any help.

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