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Dublin / Re: Irish Army Questions
« on: Thursday 19 September 19 16:33 BST (UK)  »
Free State Army was just a normal (legal) Army.
You're getting a bit caught up with the good bad thing.
It's important not to colour events of the past with more recent events.
The original IRA are Irelands heroes. Michael Collins and such like.
The Free State Army was formed out of the IRA.
The later forms of the IRA were made up of people who would have objected to the Free State and its Army.

Yes, that's basically what I wanted to know, and why I wanted to know what the difference was because I presumed the IRA of yesteryear, was not the same as we know it today, but I have no clue about this stuff at all so wanted to check I was interpreting the internet correctly. I don't live in Ireland so just wanted to be sure.

Thank you for your help, you've been really helpful.

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Dublin / Re: Irish Army Questions
« on: Thursday 19 September 19 13:54 BST (UK)  »
OK, so reading about the civil war, it appears that 'after the onset of the civil war, the guard was rapidly expanded by recruitment of many more men, including Irish veterans of the British Army'.

This makes sense.

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Dublin / Re: Irish Army Questions
« on: Thursday 19 September 19 13:40 BST (UK)  »
He would have been about 43 when he was in the Warwickshire Reg. That photo he looks a lot younger. The cap badge does look like the 'FF' badge on the Free State Army uniform.

Could I presume that once he came back from WW1, he joined the Irish Army and/or gained civilian employment as a labourer until he moved to Birmingham in 1929ish (and until he was called up for service in WW2 in 1939).

And, if he was in the Free State Army - was this a good thing?

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Dublin / Re: Irish Army Questions
« on: Thursday 19 September 19 13:16 BST (UK)  »
I've found some paperwork saying he joined the Royal Warwickshire Reg in May 1939, and left due to being unfit for service in 1941.

Doesn't fit with his Irish uniform ???. Oh so confusing.

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Dublin / Re: Irish Army Questions
« on: Thursday 19 September 19 13:05 BST (UK)  »
Just noticed this - Is there anything here?

https://www.nam.ac.uk/records-regiments-disbanded-after-irish-war-independence-go-online

Yes he is on there, but it doesn't tell me any new information.

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Dublin / Re: Irish Army Questions
« on: Thursday 19 September 19 13:02 BST (UK)  »
A protection certificate (soldier not remaining with the colours) was issued to him on 24 Aug 1919. I've googled this and believe it was so he could gain civilian employment.

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Dublin / Re: Irish Army Questions
« on: Thursday 19 September 19 12:56 BST (UK)  »
Was he living in Northern Ireland after 1922?

Where did the marriage and birth take place?

OK, so, 1922 onwards:

Married at the Pro Cathedral, Dublin in May 1922.

First child was born in Dublin. Their address Middle Gardiner St. Second child also born here in late 1927. Third child then born in early 1930 in Birmingham.

Official discharge from Connaughts (on Army form B2079) in Aug 1924. Place: Warwick.

Would Warwick have been just the 'payroll' office as such, that's why it's down as that, and he wasn't actually there. It may be just a co-incidence that they chose to move to Birmingham which was under Warwick in those days, or maybe he was actually there doing some form of military service? I wish people wrote on the back of photos - it would save a lot of hassle!  :P

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Dublin / Re: Irish Army Questions
« on: Thursday 19 September 19 12:41 BST (UK)  »
Although he got married in May 1922, On the back of the marriage certificate, there is date stamp of from 15 December 1923 from the Record and Pay Office Warwick.

In August 1924, he was officially discharged from the Conaught Rangers after his first period of engagement. He served his country for seven years and 28 days with the Colours and four years 337 days in the Army Reserve. He was discharged in Warwick.

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Dublin / Re: Irish Army Questions
« on: Thursday 19 September 19 12:35 BST (UK)  »
Labourer is the usuall occupation on Certs when someone has just left the Army.
Is it also labourer on the birth cert?

I don't have the birth certificate unfortunately. But everything else I have, or have seen, during this period states he was a labourer.

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