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Lanarkshire / Re: Tracing relatives of Ian CRAWFORD of Glasgow k-i-a 1943
« on: Monday 04 February 19 15:07 GMT (UK)  »
Not sure, but I think this man is related. He had a brother called Bill, this could be William (Billy) Hill.

Of course I could be wrong, but also a Crawford is mentioned from Osooyos.

https://www.genealogiequebec.com/necro/alberta/calgary/the-calgary-sun-ab/2123927/HILL-Kenneth-John/avis-de-deces

This is a good lead! I've done a quick search on Facebook and there is a Rick Crawford from Osooyos on there who looks about the right age and is married to a Margaret. I've sent him a message with a link to the newspaper article to see if he is related.

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Armed Forces / Re: Crimean War - did soldiers get leave to go home
« on: Monday 17 December 18 15:36 GMT (UK)  »
I have a similar issue with my 3x great grandfather who was in the 97th Foot and also served in the Crimean War. Prior to that conflict, my 2x great grandfather was born in early 1853 and unless my 3x great grandfather was on leave from where he was stationed in Nova Scotia (from mid 1851 - mid 1853), he cannot possibly be his natural father! He didn't marry my 3 x great grandmother until Oct 1855 on his return from the Crimea, after another son had been born earlier that year. This one IS likely to have been his biological son, conceived when the regiment was back in England before being sent to the Crimea, but sadly he died in infancy.

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Where does the proof of the name "Corke" exist?     


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Hard to prove definitively but it comes from a couple of other Corke-related trees on ancestry.  I also contacted someone on there who sent me this exhaustive reply which helps explain...

"Andy,

Ada Hannah Corke's birth was registered in 1st Q 1884 in Yarmouth mothers maiden name was England (Volume 4b Page 26).

She was baptised as Edie Hannah Cork on 7 Feb 1884 with a birth date given as 14 Jan 1884 (Norfolk, England, Bishop and Archdeacon Transcripts of Parish Registers, 1600-1935). Her parents were given as Charles & Eleanor Corke.

She is found with her parents on the 1891, 1901 & 1911 census returns, as Edith A Corke in 1891 and Ada on 1901 & 1911. All three give a birth year of 1884.

All of this information is on my Ancestry tree (with sources) which you have obviously found. The tree also shows the relatives of Ada, descended from her parents. However, it does not give the names and details of living relatives.

Until I received your message I had no information on Ada beyond the 1911 census that I could be sure of. I had not found a marriage that I could reliably attribute to her, I couldn't find her in 1939 as a Corke nor could I find a death as a Corke.

I have found the 1939 Reg. that you have referred to where an Ada H Shepherd (Widow) is living at 28 Belfort Place, Great Yarmouth C.B., Norfolk, England with a closed record (assumed to be a child), however the date of birth is 14 Jan 1887, not 1884. The day and month of birth provide good circumstantial evidence but the year is a problem. It could be Ada Hannah Corke as I have found other 1939 Regs. where the day and month are correct and the year is incorrect. However, I was still not totally convinced.

I have also found the death that you have referred to where the death of an Ada Shepherd was registered in the 1st Q of 1865 in Yarmouth. The age at death was 82. If this was Ada Hannah Corke she would not have turned 82 until January 1966. This does not match but could be within the bounds of error.

I have now found further evidence that appears to confirm a link between Ada Shepherd & Ada Hannah Corke. Ada Hannah Corke had a younger brother named Victor Corke (See 1901 & 1911 census on my tree). His British Army Service record gives his address on enlistment as 28 Belfort Place, St Nicholas Rd Gt Yarmouth (See my tree). This is the same address as Ada Shepherd in 1939. This takes the link beyond coincidence and into the realms of 'on the balance of probability' if not 'beyond reasonable doubt'.

We now have the task of linking the Raymond Shepherd on the CWGC site to the Ada Shepherd nee Corke in 1939. I would normally find his birth registration which would give his mother's maiden name, then use this to find the marriage of his parents at an appropriate time and place.

The CWGC record gives Raymond's age at the time of his death as 21. As he died on the 1st May 1943 he would have been born between the 1st May 1921 and the 30th April 1922 (2nd Q 1921 to 3rd Q 1922 allowing for six weeks to register the birth). Unfortunately there are no obvious candidates with a first name of Raymond.

Raymond   Shepherd   2nd Q   1921   mother's maiden name Swales Middlesbrough   Yorkshire
Raymond L   Shepherd   3rd Q   1921   mother's maiden name Tilley   St. Thomas Devon
Raymond   Shepherd   4th Q   1921   mother's maiden name Gregory   West Bromwich   Staffordshire

Raymond P   Sheppard   2nd Q   1921   mother's maiden name Bishop   Devizes Wiltshire
Raymond   Sheppard   4th Q   1921   mother's maiden name Moran   West Bromwich   Staffordshire
Raymond   Sheppard   3rd Q   1922   mother's maiden name Adlam   Isle of Wight Hampshire

I can't find a record of a marriage of an Ada (Eadie or Edith) Corke to a Shepherd.

The CWGC record give Raymond's mother as Ada Shepherd with no father mentioned. This could imply that there was no father. If we look for births of a Raymond Corke during the same period we get:-

Raymond S   Corke   3   1921   mother's maiden name Corke   Rochford   Essex

This record gives a birth of a Raymond during the right time period with a connection to the Corke name. Could the initial stand for Shepherd? This is of course only a theory but are there any other options? It explains the lack of a appropriate marriage, the lack of a birth record for a Raymond Shepherd and also why his father wasn't mentioned on the CWGC record.

I'm not sure what other records are available that would give any further information.

Get back in touch if you want to discuss this further, or want help tracing living relatives. My tree only has information on relatives with the Corke name. I have not followed maternal lines."

Phew!

I would add that on the 1939 register, the closed entry below Ada does look like it might say 'Shepherd, Raymond' as you can just see the tails of the letters 'p' and 'y' in the right places. It seems likely that he was an only child.

Andy

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Apologies, I should have clarified that CORKE was Ada/Edith's maiden name. There seems to be variations in her name. Sometimes it is Ada Edith, or Ada Hannah, sometimes Edith Ada and now Edith Hannah! I'm pretty sure it's the same person though! On the 1939 register it's written as Ada H Shepherd with a d.o.b of 14-01-1887, although the year is dubious.

I've re-sent messages via Facebook to 3 people who I think are descendants of Ada's brothers, so will let you know if I get any responses.

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The address 28 Belfort Place matches where Ada is on the 1939 register. Frustratingly, there is a 'closed entry' below her name that is probably Raymond. I can see the end of the 'y' in Raymond if I look closely. It looks like he may have been an only child as Ada was already a widow by 1939 and the household only consists of Ada and one other person (probably Raymond). I still cannot find a record of either Ada's marriage to 'Mr SHEPHERD' or a record of Raymond's birth. I have contacted a few relatives of the CORKE family through Facebook and ancestry.co.uk but so far no one has any additional knowledge of Ada's generation.

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Norfolk / Re: Yarmouth electoral rolls before 1939
« on: Friday 07 September 18 13:43 BST (UK)  »
What could this say? And is it helpfull?

http://www.frommy.co.uk/Reunion/wc01/wc01_447.htm

So, Henry Edward Corke mentioned on this link is, I believe, Raymond Shepherds uncle (Henry's sister Edith Ada Corke was Raymonds father).

Back in June, I attempted to contact an ancestry member whose husband is descended from the Averil Evelyn Corke mentioned as a daughter on the link. Unfortunately she didn't reply and she hasn't been on the ancestry site for 7 months so obviously hasn't seen my message.  I have found her on Facebook though, so I will see if I get a reply that way. I will report back if I get any response!

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I am meeting the family of William Louth next Monday! Also interviewing them for a documentary I am making....
That's great news! So glad to have put you in touch with each other

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Lanarkshire / Re: Tracing relatives of Ian CRAWFORD of Glasgow k-i-a 1943
« on: Monday 20 August 18 15:58 BST (UK)  »
Interesting to see that address in Argyll.  Even today this is a 2 hour + drive from Glasgow, so quite a distance from the addresses for the Crawford family on the 1891 and 1901 census. Perhaps John and Jean Crawford retired there before the war or maybe they moved out of the city to escape the bombing? There is a cottage on the outskirts of the village of Taynuilt just along the A85 (heading west) which appears as 'Selma' on 192.com and Zoopla when I did a Google search, but it looks like this is a holiday cottage now and called 'Novar'. Writing to the village post office is a good idea though, short of finding any other leads!

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World War Two / Re: Finding relatives of missing airgunner
« on: Wednesday 06 June 18 23:43 BST (UK)  »
Success! I’ve literally just had a response from Fredericks daughter, Christine. She says: “Yes, Sgt. William Robert Louth is my uncle and I do have some information about him. He was married to someone called Kitty bur they had no children and she remarried. I tried to find out some information about him some years ago and had a reply stating that his body had not been found unlike the rest of the crew. As far as I know I, apart from my children and grandchildren, am his only living close relative. I am very interested in what is happening in The Netherlands and would be willing to do a DNA test if that was required. I would like to visit Muiden and see the grave. I know his name is on three memorials - Runnymede, Halifax and Humberstone, Leicester where he lived. Thank you very much for contacting me and please keep me informed. I will have a look at the websites from Muiden ” so yes, ‘Kitty’ must be the Kathleen referred to earlier. Good job everyone!

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