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Hi John,

Thanks again for your info.
All very plausible.
This afternoon I spent some money and had a look at the UK 1911 census
for Mary Ann Clifford. She had married and married name was Donegan.
The census shows a Mary Donegan, Inmate, Widow, Age 71, Where born - Co Kerry, Tralee.
If this is the correct person then her date of birth would be 1840, which would match up
with your findings for a baptism.
I guess the date of baptism for John Clifford could have been mis read. 1831 and 1834 are very
close in appearance.
That really just leaves Johanna Clifford birth date as a mystery.

Thanks for your help. It will give me some other avenues to look at.
If anything else surfaces from your searches I would be interested in receiving them

Best Regards

Hi Annclare,

Thanks for the response. From what I have gathered there are three other siblings
Johanna Clifford b abt 1830 - Ireland
John Clifford b 30th March 1834, Ireland (possibly Cork) d 4 Dec 1899, London
Daniel Clifford b abt 1840 (Place unknown) d London 23 July 1831

Parents:
Father was either John Clifford or Patrick Clifford (Both have been used on various documents.
Mother was a Mary Unknown
Both were born in Ireland about 1806/1807
Both died in London (Father 8 Sept 1877, Mother 31 Oct 1878)

Thanks for any help
Regards
Vanman

I was in Rafford old chuchyard two weeks ago, looking for any references to my Collie ancestry and saw the John Younie and Anne Collie headstone (still standing !!). I am still trying to make the connection to Anne Collie in my family tree, but getting there slowly.

For those of you that are interested, the parents of Anne Collie were GEORGE COLLIE and CATHERINE BREMNER, (various spellings of her name) There are quite a few siblings spread over a long time frame.

Also if you are looking for John Younie in any of SctotlandsPeople or Family Search (IGI) it has been mis transcribed as YOUNG.

Regards
Vanman

Hi Karren,

Thanks for the info.  I will extend my research to cover Devon. It might throw some light on my dilema

Regards
Vanman

Christopher,

Thanks for the response. Since writing the original request I have found some additional info that may narrow down the search area. The family were Catholic. This I have found from baptism and marriage certs here in England.
Also the family would appear to have left Ireland somewhere between 1836 when Mary Ann Clifford was born and 1840 when a son Daniel was born in England.
Also the daugheter I had noted as Amy was actually named Johanna. She has put her place of Birth as Ireland, Croyle, Kerry in the England 1871 census. I am having difficulty locating Croyle, primarily because I think it was written down incorrectly on the census form. The other sister has put her place of birth as Ireand,Tralee on the 1881 England census. The son John (Charles) Clifford was born on 30th March 1834. This is from a bible insert, however no place is given.
Hope this may jog someones memory
Regards
Stuart