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Travelling People / Re: LOCK(E)S of Shropshire/Staffordshire
« on: Sunday 27 February 22 21:21 GMT (UK) »
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Travelling People / Re: LOCK(E)S of Shropshire/Staffordshire
« on: Sunday 27 February 22 18:03 GMT (UK) »
Yes, just about still in one piece, thanks. Looking forward to retiring in July so I can give more time to finding William and others! Are you still on the same email address? I'll drop you a line.
Jonny
Jonny
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Travelling People / Re: LOCK(E)S of Shropshire/Staffordshire
« on: Saturday 12 February 22 18:29 GMT (UK) »I am interested in Lavinia LOCK who married (probably unofficially) William DAVIS.
They had several children baptised in Warwickshire parishes while travelling a circuit in the 1830s/40s. Some are baptised as Davis and some as Lock, no doubt depending on whether the vicar recognised them as a married couple.
Some time after that they settled in Birmingham. William died in the 1860s, and Lavinia died in 1888, her age given as 68 although she may have been older.
Since I posted the above, we've established that Lavinia was one of the younger sisters of Matthew Lock. She was baptised in 1799 in Madeley, Shropshire "daughter of Henery and Sarah Lock (A Gipsey)".
Lavinia was my 3x great grandmother. Happy to share what I have about her and her descendants if it helps anyone to join some dots.
Hi Sloe Gin, long time no speak - did you ever find William Davis?
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Staffordshire / Lockett family, Stoke on Trent area
« on: Thursday 16 January 20 15:33 GMT (UK) »
Hi all
I’m trying to find more information on my great-great grandmother, Elizabeth Brown nee Lockett, who I know from census records was born in Stoke on Trent c. 1816.
Elizabeth married a soldier, William Brown (although I can find no marriage record - possibly regimental and potentially overseas?) and had four surviving children. The family settled in the West Midlands after William was discharged from the army on medical grounds in 1854.
If anyone is related to Elizabeth, or has any more information about the Lockett family, I’d be delighted to hear from you.
Thanks.
Jonny
I’m trying to find more information on my great-great grandmother, Elizabeth Brown nee Lockett, who I know from census records was born in Stoke on Trent c. 1816.
Elizabeth married a soldier, William Brown (although I can find no marriage record - possibly regimental and potentially overseas?) and had four surviving children. The family settled in the West Midlands after William was discharged from the army on medical grounds in 1854.
If anyone is related to Elizabeth, or has any more information about the Lockett family, I’d be delighted to hear from you.
Thanks.
Jonny
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England / Re: Prudence Clayton
« on: Wednesday 07 November 18 16:53 GMT (UK) »
Interesting, I hadn’t thought of the etymological aspect, and it’s also possible I suppose that Caroline was an adopted name? If say a neighbour of friend filled out the household form for them they might have only known her as Caroline.
Names can get so easily mixed up in genealogical research anyway - I have a 2 x great aunt Eliza who is transcribed in one census as Elner and a number of researchers have her down as Elenor.
Names can get so easily mixed up in genealogical research anyway - I have a 2 x great aunt Eliza who is transcribed in one census as Elner and a number of researchers have her down as Elenor.
It could well be a misreading - obviously for the censuses pre-1911 the household returns don’t survive so we will never know what sort of handwriting, inkblots etc the enumerator had to contend with.
However it is also possible that Charlotte and Caroline were treated as interchangeable, being etymologically linked (both female versions of Charles). I am not sure whether I have seen an example of this particular one, but it’s a common enough phenomenon with other groups of names, e.g.:
Ellen, Helen, Helena, Eleanor
Emma, Emily, Emmeline
Mary Ann, Marian(ne)
Isabel, Elizabeth
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England / Re: Prudence Clayton
« on: Wednesday 07 November 18 16:13 GMT (UK) »
That's fascinating - a practice I would assume died out with, in this country at least, lower infant mortality and smaller families
That explains of ocurse why I've never been able to find a Caroline Dainter that fits in terms of birth date -just weondering if the 1861 household return was misread by the enumerator as the census image clearly shows "Caroline".
Jonny
That explains of ocurse why I've never been able to find a Caroline Dainter that fits in terms of birth date -just weondering if the 1861 household return was misread by the enumerator as the census image clearly shows "Caroline".
Jonny
Yes, the daughter born 1842 (registered as Charlotte) is down as Charlotte in 1851 and Caroline in 1861.
It is very common to find names reused in a family - usually after the death of a previous child of that name. One of my families named 3 of their daughters Rebecca, but sadly all of the Rebeccas died young.
Rarely you find reuse even within the older child’s lifetime, perhaps because the older one is known by a nickname or middle name or (in a very large family) they have run out of ideas and a name comes round again!
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England / Re: Prudence Clayton
« on: Wednesday 07 November 18 14:46 GMT (UK) »
PS I believe that it is Caroline.
Have you put together a list of known children? So far I can see:
1830: John Ward Dainter
1832: Thomas Ward Dainter
1833: William Ward Dainter
1835: Prudence Dainter
1839: Charlotte Dainter mmn Clayton (died 1839 aged 7 weeks)
1840: Henry Dainter mmn Clayton (died 1840)
1842: Charlotte Dainter mmn “Claton” - could be “Caroline”, 18 in 1861
1845: Edward Dainter mmn “Claton”
1850: Henry Ward Dainter mmn Clayton (died 1850)
1852: Mary Ann Ward Dainter mmn Clayton
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England / Re: Prudence Clayton
« on: Wednesday 07 November 18 14:44 GMT (UK) »
That's extremely helpful, thank you - I was missing Henry (1840-1840), Edward and Mary Ann. It's interesting that people sometimes "re-used" names after children had died in infancy. I've found that elsewhere in my family tree. Was this common practice I wonder?
Have you put together a list of known children? So far I can see:
1830: John Ward Dainter
1832: Thomas Ward Dainter
1833: William Ward Dainter
1835: Prudence Dainter
1839: Charlotte Dainter mmn Clayton (died 1839 aged 7 weeks)
1840: Henry Dainter mmn Clayton (died 1840)
1842: Charlotte Dainter mmn “Claton” - could be “Caroline”, 18 in 1861
1845: Edward Dainter mmn “Claton”
1850: Henry Ward Dainter mmn Clayton (died 1850)
1852: Mary Ann Ward Dainter mmn Clayton
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England / Re: Prudence Clayton
« on: Wednesday 07 November 18 14:37 GMT (UK) »
That's an amazing find - I've been trying to find her on the 1851 census for years, using what I thought was every possible permutation of Dainter and the "soundalike" settings.
In 1851 Birmingham on Ancestry as DANTY. Prudence is listed as Pandence born 1811 Philips Hke, Shropshire, England. I can't open the image,sorry.
Maureen
Great find. But a bad day for the transcriber.
Prudence’s birthplace is in fact Bishop’s Castle, Salop (Shropshire).