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London & Middlesex Lookup Requests / Re: Birth, baptism, census, immigration - George Francis Smith
« on: Tuesday 06 November 18 09:33 GMT (UK)  »
Apologies for taking so long. I had to wait until I went to a centre with access to FindMyPast, Ancestry etc and then went away for a few days. Haven't forgotten nor given up.

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London & Middlesex Lookup Requests / Re: Birth, baptism, census, immigration - George Francis Smith
« on: Tuesday 06 November 18 09:30 GMT (UK)  »
If the OP is me I have just posted in the Australia thread. I've been working on my response on and off all afternoon but kept getting distracted and following up other leads. Have just posted a bit as a start and will keep trying to make a coherent statement of where I'm at and post that.

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Australia / Re: Any details - George Francis Smith 1842? - 1901
« on: Tuesday 06 November 18 09:27 GMT (UK)  »
Hi all,
A thousand apologies for saying I hadn't found George Francis Smith's grave. All I can say is that it was late at night!!!! I am the person who posted on Find A Grave. Many thanks to those who have posted, especially Jamjar.

I have spent the time since I last posted doing more research and as all his children had triple middle names I think he was born George Richard Francis Smith and after he married he dropped the Richard so I researched George Francis and George Richard.

On the other hand reading the suggestion that he jumped ship or was previously married and not divorced or widowed maybe he was born George Francis or George Francis Richard and used the Richard to disguise himself for the marriage and then reverted to George Francis. If he was trying to disguise himself he may not have been a mariner?

Florence Glencora Rose’s birth certificate says he was 52 years old on 25 March 1895, was a labourer and was born in London. So that places his birth after 25 March and before 31 July 1843.

His death certificate says he was born in London, was aged 58 years and had been in the colony for 27 years and was 31 years old when he married in July 1873 and died on 11 January 1901. So he was probably born between 11 January and 31 July 1843.

Am still putting together what I have found.



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London & Middlesex Lookup Requests / Re: Birth, baptism, census, immigration - George Francis Smith
« on: Friday 26 October 18 23:34 BST (UK)  »
Thanks Dundee for the marriage cert. This man is a mystery. I'm busy over the weekend but next week I'll post all the searching I've done for his arrival.

I only joined Rootschat yesterday so I'm not sure of the etiquette. We  all have information about this couple. Does that mean we are all descendants of them? Is it ok to disclose your link to them? It seems to me this  might help all of us.

Cheers

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Australia / Re: Any details - George Francis Smith 1842? - 1901
« on: Friday 26 October 18 12:01 BST (UK)  »
There is definitely no headstone at all at the location given by the iCemetery app now. I looked earlier this year.

Thanks for the offer about looking up others' graves. I have found and visited the graves of almost everyone of my direct ancestors except for George and Elizabeth Barnes  and William Partridge (maybe died 1843)and Margaret Stafford (died about 1840) all of whose death certificates I can't find so I don't even know yet where to look.
cheers

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London & Middlesex Lookup Requests / Re: Birth, baptism, census, immigration - George Francis Smith
« on: Friday 26 October 18 11:41 BST (UK)  »
Apologies if I have created confusion by posting in 2 forums. I asked for different info in each that was relevant to that country/city so I thought that would help.

I will be ordering the marriage cert asap and am really grateful for the help in locating what I'm hoping will be the correct one.

I'm still none the wiser about his immigration but if I find the right birth cert and get the marriage cert maybe I'll get some clues there.

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Australia / Re: Any details - George Francis Smith 1842? - 1901
« on: Friday 26 October 18 11:26 BST (UK)  »
I can't keep up! thanks both of you for the latest info.

I do have Florence's birth certificate (not just the transcript) and it says 4 females, 4 males and 1 female deceased ie 10 yet I now know that there were 11 children because I have just looked up birth cert numbers for all the children Jamjar and I have and I found 11.
Mary Ann 1255/1874
George W 5618/1875
Walter Ernest 6517/1878
Charles Francis 7415/1880
Olive May  8973/1882
Ethel Beatrice  9275/1884
Maud  7877/1885
Ruby Emily  9672/1886
Sydney John  13059/1889
Mabel Dorothy  27829/1892
Florence Glencora 15604/1895.

The family were very creative about names compared to the others I am researching.

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Australia / Re: Any details - George Francis Smith 1842? - 1901
« on: Friday 26 October 18 11:16 BST (UK)  »
Hi Jamjar,
Thank you for your interest and comments. I have really struggles with George.
1. There is a Funeral Notice in Sydney Morning Herald (NSW : 1842 - 1954), Thursday 9 July 1903, page 10 for Mary Ann Smith that lists children: George W, Walter E, Charles F some married women and Florrie.
2. No idea why she is buried with the others as I haven't had time to look into it. I have to research in fits and starts and the cemetery info was gained from a trip to Sydney earlier this year.There are 7 Mary Ann(e) smiths in the Waverley Cemetery and the ages of death of all but the 1903 death don't fit her birth date for which I have the birth certificate.
3. I walked Waverley cemetery for ages trying to find a headstone for George Francis that corresponded to the plot number given by the cemetery and I couldn't find it. I would be really keen to see the headstone you found.
4. Thanks for Maud's details. I've just looked up all the children's birth registrations and can see that initially the family was in Waterloo then moved to Paddington before Ethel was born so I'll follow up the addresses.
Kind regards,

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Australia / Re: Any details - George Francis Smith 1842? - 1901
« on: Friday 26 October 18 10:37 BST (UK)  »
Thank you all again! How you have found this information so quickly when I have been searching for about a year amazes me.
Jamjar's list of children tallies with mine (Apologies Florence was youngest: I made a mistake) except that I have an Olive Lily May born on 5 May 1882 after Charles and no Maud. I will order May Ann's birth cert to see if it has any more details about George.

Thank you for the hints about his birth details: I will follow them up. Will post when I find out which one is correct.

George Francis Smith is buried in Waverley Cemetery at W-9-GE-OR-1458. There is no headstone. Find a Grave # 190888903. Mary Ann Ham is also buried there separately at site W-16-GE-OR-2189. Find a Grave #190888950. She is buried with Ethel May smith, James Michael Redman and Muriel Sylvia May Redman. Use iCemetery to get the location on map to help you find them.

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